Guardians of the Galaxy coming to Energy Pavilion at Epcot

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wdisney9000

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Butt hurt has turned into panic. Speculation has turned into meltdown. This is even before we know what they are doing.
If you actually take into account who is making these decisions and what their motives are, then its understandable. These decisions are not being made with the same delicacy, concept and long term vision for the park that its original designers did. Thats not a cry for old EPCOT to return either.

Abandoning reality based attractions for whimsical, pop up storybook drive by's is not only bad form, but its completely void of creativity. Its just another situation in which we are left saying the same things weve said about the last few attractions.."lets hope", "lets wait and see", etc, etc,. Im tired of hoping, and waiting.
 

Virtual Toad

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It can be done again. They just have to look in the right places.
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My sons and I were just talking about this last night! How cool would a Soarin' through the Cosmos attraction be? Or an updated Horizons hosted by Neil deGrasse Tyson? The spirit of EPCOT is still out there. DisCo just has to exert a tiny bit of real effort-- and invest a tiny bit of faith in its consumer. Elevate the intellectual validity of what you offer the American public and it might just elevate the American public.
 

wdisney9000

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"Tone deaf" is probably a good way to put it, and I think that after a time potential customers start to sniff stuff like that out. Again, I have no doubts that a Guardians ride would do great business for a little while, but what are the odds that it or Frozen, for that matter remain attractions that people will book their trips around the way people currently do for Harry Potter and likely will for Star Wars?

HP and SW are two franchises with a ton of depth to them (just speaking in terms of world building) and each has a rabid fanbase made of multiple generations of readers/viewers, fanbases that are incredibly active in areas like fan art, cosplay, fan fiction, really all-encompassing stuff, to a degree where you can completely understand Universal and Disney wanting to create a themed area for each. GotG is very popular, to be sure, and a very fun movie, but it doesn't have that going for it, and again, dedicating one attraction to it in a park that otherwise does not work for it thematically will only serve the purpose of getting some long lines for it for a couple of years before things likely level off again, as folks who want to see recreations of movie franchises will prioritize and just go to MK or Studios, instead.

Against such a likelihood, does it make it worthwhile to effectively kill off the pavilion concept for a short term boost in ridership in that corner of the park? Again, half-steps; either keep EPCOT true to a unified, thematic vision, or just ditch it entirely and go in a radically new direction, but stuff like this isn't going to cut it, not when they're likely still going to have Spaceship Earth as the centerpiece of the park and when the next iteration of Imagination, whenever it might be, has the strong potential to feature Dreamfinder and Figment.
Not to mention that the more they build and base parks around "hot IP" attractions that they run the risk of upsetting the very fans they are catering to. The same lowest common denominator guest that applauds these decisions will also violently turn on them when they take a few years off without slamming in a new attraction to match the latest tent pole movie. They are creating an army of Veruca Salts that defend them now, but will despise them the moment they stop buying Wonka Bars by the truck load for them.
 

RobidaFlats

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Your post was based on Walt magically waking from a coma ...but you ask why we need to invent conflict..? LOL

It would appear that you missed the point. My post what not based on the premise of Walt waking from a coma. My post was based on the premise that two people made statements that were not mutually exclusive and the coma fantasy was merely an example illustrating that.

If someone wanted to give a counter example of what they thought Walt would have done in that situation, that would be a reasonable conflict (although obviously indeterminable) with what I posted.

If someone was to respond (purely fictional response, of course): "That's absurd! Walt would have started over on another section of the property," that would be an invented conflict. The first scenario does not preclude the second.
 

Mike S

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I am so saddened by all of this. :'(

And no redeeming factor either. Just a dumb superhero ride, a Six Flags-ication. They take something that is unique, the eight wonder of the world, and use it to vend their wares. Like destroying the Sphinx for a giftshop to sell junk trinkets to the tourists visiting the Pyramids.
I don't think the ride will be "dumb," per say, but it'll definitely be in the wrong park. Why couldn't this be that "mystery E Ticket" coming to DHS? Or better yet, why couldn't it have been added to whatever the plans are for that park?
If you actually take into account who is making these decisions and what their motives are, then its understandable. These decisions are not being made with the same delicacy, concept and long term vision for the park that its original designers did. Thats not a cry for old EPCOT to return either.

Abandoning reality based attractions for whimsical, pop up storybook drive by's is not only bad form, but its completely void of creativity. Its just another situation in which we are left saying the same things weve said about the last few attractions.."lets hope", "lets wait and see", etc, etc,. Im tired of hoping, and waiting.
Perfectly stated.
My sons and I were just talking about this last night! How cool would a Soarin' through the Cosmos attraction be? Or an updated Horizons hosted by Neil deGrasse Tyson? The spirit of EPCOT is still out there. DisCo just has to exert a tiny bit of real effort-- and invest a tiny bit of faith in its consumer. Elevate the intellectual validity of what you offer the American public and it might just elevate the American public.
I think Soarin' Around the World is fine enough for the Land pavilion and having a second would feel redundant. How about Mission: SPACE goes the way Horizons did for a Cosmos pavilion featuring an epic old school EPCOT Center style dark ride hosted by Neil? Then WoL makes way for this idea of mine,
I think they should reinstate whatever the original ending was at the 1964 World's Fair and keep it as a treasured Walt classic. Of course this would tie into another idea I have that would never happen of moving the show to a new "Progressland" pavilion in Epcot that would also have a new version of Horizons where the idea would be that both attractions go hand in hand and "New Horizons" would pick up where CoP leaves off.

Of course now I'm veering into armchair Imagineering and getting off topic.
Energy, Imagination, and Innoventions get proper updates, after that Test Track's interior is completely changed to feature dark ride scenes based on the history of transportation reminiscient of World of Motion while still featuring the outdoor high speed loop, and finally Nemo gets the boot from the Seas.

There. Future World fixed. If you don't like it? Magic Kingdom and Hollywood Studios might be more your speed. That's the beauty of multiple parks. Something for everyone. Sadly it's only a dream...
 

Daveeeeed

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What is the rationale for destroying Ellen's ADventure when WOL is in such a dump?
I would assume because they can reuse the show building. Wol would more than likely have to be at least partly torn down if they wanted a ride as it housed simulators. To be honest I've always enjoyed The UoE, but it was in dire need for a major update or replacement. To get something new, that's probably an Eticket, whether it fits in Epcot or not is something to be excited for. Not an ideal choice by any means, but it could essentially be the superhero pavilion.
 

HouseHacker97

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the last time i got caught up with this thread was 500 messages ago and I can't bring myself to read them all lol
Can anyone who doesn't mind and follows this thread round up the current rumors for the deathly lazy like me pls :p:rolleyes:
 

Daveeeeed

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the last time i got caught up with this thread was 500 messages ago and I can't bring myself to read them all lol
Can anyone who doesn't mind and follows this thread round up the current rumors for the deathly lazy like me pls :p:rolleyes:
It is happening. It's taking over the UoE. It will use the same show building just with the entire interior being gutted completely, for new vehicles, a new track layout, and for the best use of space for a new attraction.
 

Notes from Neverland

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I'm not sure Guardians of the Galaxy makes the most sense, but I am excited to see something - anything - being done to make Epcot a better experience.

I visited Epcot once as a kid and then a couple times over the last couple years. While it was easy to be nostalgic of the past and what Epcot once was, the stark reality of what is there now is borderline appalling and even boring. So many empty building and so little to actually do unless you're content with wandering from store to store and country to country.

I'm trilled there's even a rumor of something new coming to Epcot. It doesn't fit the past, but then again I'm not sure the past makes sense either as modern technology makes just about everything obsolete almost immediately. Regardless, it's about time something big comes to Epcot to breath some life into the park. It won't fit the old image, but it certainly won't hurt in the eyes of most visitors.
 

Daveeeeed

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The sims were only in an annex building.

Thing what could have fitted beneath the dome.
I think for a ride though they didn't want to have to deal with that. They probably wanted just to be able to use an entire show building, and not have to deal with a lobby, or destroying simulators etc.
 

Daveeeeed

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Well the simulators are already gone.

Truth is WOL still makes money. UoE needs help.
True, but I meant the simulator space, which is not exactly usable for an Eticket ride, so it has to be torn down either way. But yeah it definitely makes money from the festivals, probably why.
 
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