Guardians of the Galaxy coming to Energy Pavilion at Epcot

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Bocabear

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I almost wish the cast held up the lines at the Mansion even longer before moving people into the stretch rooms, I hate that funneling like steer to the slaughterhouse that takes place when 3+ stretch rooms of guests are all jammed into the switchback line.
They are actually supposed to hold it up a lot more so that it is not a mob crush in the loading hall Disneylan Hallway is longer and gives the crowd more room to funnel... The Florida version never really works unless they are really holding back the crowds....then it is wonderful... the nonstop walk to the loading belt as it was designed to be...
 

montyz81

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I totally get what you mean... My example of Test Track was to illustrate updated effects and visuals without really changing the narrative of the ride... but yeah...we are on the same page...
I believe that the original plan for WoM was to be a combination thrill ride/educational ride. @marni1971 correct me if i am wrong here. I thought I remembered seeing that in your tribute video.
 

marni1971

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I believe that the original plan for WoM was to be a combination thrill ride/educational ride. @marni1971 correct me if i am wrong here. I thought I remembered seeing that in your tribute video.
Thrill-ish.

Circa 1978 there was an upstairs Omnimover ride, and a ground level external track for a separate attraction. The latter was eliminated quite early on though, before the WOM was born from the plans.
 

montyz81

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Thrill-ish.

Circa 1978 there was an upstairs Omnimover ride, and a ground level external track for a separate attraction. The latter was eliminated quite early on though, before the WOM was born from the plans.
Didn't they resurface some of those plans to come up with TT 1.0?
 

RSoxNo1

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By definition the libraries hold up the line. That's what they were designed for. You wait outside the exterior doors for the next room to become available. This holds up the line.

Of course then came Fast pass (again) to totally screw it up.
This really shouldn't matter if the person at the merge point is getting both Fastpass and Standby in the pre-stretch room holding area quick enough.
 

montyz81

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The pitchforks and torches should be handed out.
This entire thread just makes me think of all the great quotes from Walt about his parks and company that the current leaders of his company now ignore:

"We keep moving forward, opening up new doors and doing new things… and curiosity keeps leading us down new paths"
"Disneyland will never be completed. It will continue to grow as long as there is imagination left in the world
"I believe in being an innovator"
"It’s kind of fun to do the impossible"
"When we consider a new project, we really study it — not just the surface idea, but everything about it"
"Times and conditions change so rapidly that we must keep our aim constantly focused on the future"
"Disneyland is dedicated to the ideals, the dreams, and the hard facts that have created America, with the hope that it will be a source of joy and inspiration to all the world"
"Get a good idea, and stay with it. Dog it, and work at it until it’s done, and done right"

And of course the most important one:
"But the most exciting and, by far, the most important part of our Florida project, in fact, the heart of everything well be doing in Disney World, will be our experimental prototype city of tomorrow. We call it EPCOT, spelled E-P-C-O-T: Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow. Here it is in larger scale. EPCOT will take its cue from the new ideas and new technologies that are now emerging from the creative centers of American industry. It will be a community of tomorrow that will never be completed, but will always be introducing testing and demonstrating new materials and new systems. And EPCOT will always be a showcase to the world of the ingenuity and imagination of American free enterprise."
 

ParentsOf4

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This entire thread just makes me think of all the great quotes from Walt about his parks and company that the current leaders of his company now ignore:

"We keep moving forward, opening up new doors and doing new things… and curiosity keeps leading us down new paths"
"Disneyland will never be completed. It will continue to grow as long as there is imagination left in the world
"I believe in being an innovator"
"It’s kind of fun to do the impossible"
"When we consider a new project, we really study it — not just the surface idea, but everything about it"
"Times and conditions change so rapidly that we must keep our aim constantly focused on the future"
"Disneyland is dedicated to the ideals, the dreams, and the hard facts that have created America, with the hope that it will be a source of joy and inspiration to all the world"
"Get a good idea, and stay with it. Dog it, and work at it until it’s done, and done right"

And of course the most important one:
"But the most exciting and, by far, the most important part of our Florida project, in fact, the heart of everything well be doing in Disney World, will be our experimental prototype city of tomorrow. We call it EPCOT, spelled E-P-C-O-T: Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow. Here it is in larger scale. EPCOT will take its cue from the new ideas and new technologies that are now emerging from the creative centers of American industry. It will be a community of tomorrow that will never be completed, but will always be introducing testing and demonstrating new materials and new systems. And EPCOT will always be a showcase to the world of the ingenuity and imagination of American free enterprise."
Walt Disney's idea for EPCOT was abandoned in the 1970s.

Just keep in mind that EPCOT as Walt Disney envisioned it was going to be a planned community (not theme park) where Walt retained near-dictatorial control over its residents.

Not exactly my idea of the makings of a great theme park. ;)
 

montyz81

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Walt Disney's idea for EPCOT was abandoned in the 1970s.

Just keep in mind that EPCOT as Walt Disney envisioned it was going to be a planned community (not theme park) where Walt retained near-dictatorial control over its residents.

Not exactly my idea of the makings of a great theme park. ;)
I get that. But the edict did carry through somewhat. Future World was a technology test bed which is what the Community was all about. FW is no longer that. What is what I was trying to say.

Also, not sure it got to the point where it was decided that he was going to be the "dictator" of hte community. I am pretty sure our government at the time would have had something to say about that.
 

ParentsOf4

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Also, not sure it got to the point where it was decided that he was going to be the "dictator" of hte community. I am pretty sure our government at the time would have had something to say about that.
Walt Disney, for example, wanted total control over who lived in this EPCOT community, with Walt retaining all land ownership. Really, it's not much different than today's Walt Disney World where its "residents" are hand-picked by The Walt Disney Company.

With such authority Walt could, for example, expel any resident he found undesirable. In other words, don't follow Walt's rules and find yourself kicked out of "his" EPCOT community.

We think of Walt Disney as this fatherly figure who used to be invited into everyone's living room every week, almost an "Uncle Walt". When it came to paying customers, Walt was very conscientious. However, when it came to his employees, Walt was dictatorial.

Walt wanted EPCOT to be a Utopian community that was "Utopian" by doing things his way. Dissent would not be tolerated.

At least, that's my take on what I've read. ;)

So, when it comes to EPCOT, the existing EPCOT was never what Walt Disney envisioned. Those who defend the EPCOT of the 1980s (which I found rather boring as a twentysomething) are really defending the ideas of those who followed Walt and his brother Roy. It's a bit of a red herring to use Walt's quotes about EPCOT when EPCOT as it exists either today (or as it existed in the 1980s) is not at all "Walt's EPCOT".
 
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