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Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
You’re using an argument meant for teenage Mutant ninja turtles or final destination
It’s Star Wars…every movie would be top 10 on the all time chart…if they hadn’t screwed it up.
And not acknowledging that as a show of fealty…as with all things Disney…doesn’t affect the facts at all. They screwed it up.
Talking about “the market” misses the whole point of the phenomenon…and it was indeed that.
Product flying off the shelves 12 years after the previous movie? It happened…but it hadn’t happened prior
Mike S
Well-Known Member
Luke is flawed and can make mistakes. His love for his friends and family cost him in Empire but also helped him in Jedi. It’s one of his biggest flaws. Therefore, I refuse to believe he’d ever attempt to kill his nephew and then turn his back on everyone. Not after successfully dealing with the same situation concerning his own father of a family member being on the dark side. Also, don’t bother bringing up his moment of nearly killing Vader. Vader was actively threatening to go after Leia, Ben was sleeping.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
I'm not though, I'm being very realistic and honest without emotion about this, something that I don't think you're capable of when talking about SW. I don't care if they nailed it on every single film, there is no way every film is doing $2B+ consistently. Every franchise, EVERY franchise, has diminishing returns at some point, even SW. And if you can't be honest about that then this is something that is on you not me.
This is why I'm saying that the franchise is probably a consistent $1-1.5B movie earner, but probably not much beyond that. That is with everything perfect and firing on all cylinders quality wise. Because you're going to have dropoff at some point as that is just what happens, again with every franchise. Search your feelings, you know it to be true.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Which is the first sign you not only made a bad movie…but an awful Star Wars movie
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Ok…you would have a point there
It would bleed due to over saturation
Let me rephrase…would 8 and 9…two of the most anticipated sequels in history (zero argument with this) drop 37 and 43% in good economic times with total media flood if they were even passable?
Disney Irish
Premium Member
To answer that we'd need to know where the normal non-hype box office was for SW to begin with. That is where I come back to what I said previously. Had Awakens not been what I consider artificially hyped by the 30 year drought I don't think we'd see those type of drops. The only reason why we saw those drops is because Awakens got up to over $2B due to being artificially hyped. Had it been a more realistic under $2B then no we wouldn't have seen those drops.
So to answer your question more directly, no. But I also don't think either would have done over $2B.
Mike S
Well-Known Member
That escalated quickly.
Agent H
Well-Known Member
Just trying to get in front of it before it starts.
Mike S
Well-Known Member
Got it.
Even though Rise of Skywalker did make $1 Billion it did so just barely which could be seen as a disappointment for a movie that was billed as the ultimate ending of the franchise not to mention it was tripled by Marvel just months earlier. I’m not saying it needed to hit around $3 billion but I’m sure Disney expected more than what it did. You are correct that the movies made money but there are many more things involved here for a franchise like Star Wars. There’s evidence that merchandise sales tanked hard for the sequels which would very much be considered a failure because as we all know merchandising is where the real money from the movie is made.
Agent H
Well-Known Member
They might have expected more but 2019 was a great year for Disney and I’m sure they were happy enough at that point.
TP2000
Well-Known Member
This is the thing that's Misogyny!, correct?
Because, if she had been an old white male (perhaps Jewish, but hopefully a WASP) who had run the golden goose of Lucasfilm into the ground like she did in the past 10 years, he would have been allowed to keep his job in perpetuity?
Right? Or something?
Misogyny! Also... um.... Irish Need Not Apply!
It's hard for me to keep up on what the excuse is to cover up for overall repeated failure, for years and years.
Agent H
Well-Known Member
There is such a thing as fair criticism I’ve made plenty of it there’s also undeniably an undercurrent of misogyny to the hated of Kathleen Kennedy.This is the thing that's Misogyny!, correct?
Because, if she had been an old white male who had run the golden goose of Lucasfilm into the ground like she did in the past 10 years, he would have been allowed to keep his job in perpetuity? Right? Or something?
Misogyny! Also... um.... Irish Need Not Apply!
It's hard for me to keep up on what the excuse is for overall repeated failure.
TP2000
Well-Known Member
Oh, for cripes sake. She's 72?!? Why is she still there? What does a 72 year old woman know about Star Wars, and what 18 year old potential Star Wars fans like?
I get to say this because I'm retired and as old as the hills, but these old people who still hang on, cling to power, refuse to step down or truthfully find their replacement (COUGH! Bob Iger COUGH!) just need to go. Whether it's in Congress, or in Hollywood, or your local HOA, these old farts need to hang it up and let someone who doesn't qualify for AARP have a shot.
Honestly, the private jet travel out of Van Nuys Airport can't be that big of a draw, can it?
She could buy a fractional share in NetJets and still pretend like she's a Very Valuable Person Who Is Officially Good on a rented Gulfstream 6.
erasure fan1
Well-Known Member
I don't know who you talked to who was there, in the theaters at that time. But no one liked return of the Jedi? Don't mistake, "the ewoks were just to sell toys!" As no one liked the film. It's still my favorite. Obviously Empire is the best made film. But Return of the Jedi is quintessential star wars for myself and just about everyone I know who likes star wars.
Absolutely nothing, and that's been the big problem.
Agent H
Well-Known Member
I don’t know if they were there in theaters but I was replying to @Sirwalterraleigh who’s mentioned that several times.
erasure fan1
Well-Known Member
I'm pretty sure @Sirwalterraleigh has a similar view as I do on the film. I'm sure he can correct me, but I don't remember him saying no one liked it. Ewoks? Of course. But the film overall? I don't think so.
Agent H
Well-Known Member
Don’t misunderstand. I’m not complaining about the movie. It’s my personal favorite!
Phroobar
Well-Known Member
The problem with merchandise sales is Disney/Hasbro created crappy toys and doubled the price on them. Now they are triple. $18 for a 3 3/4 figure with no accessories of a character from a hated Disney+ show is not acceptable. No wonder there is an avalanche of Marvel and Star Wars stuff at Olies.