General Star Wars News

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It’s not so much they didn’t like it, it was the yet unnamed bro culture that hated the Ewoks because they weren’t ugly enough.

There will always be jerks who have to ruin everything to make themselves sound better than they really know they are deep down.

I do agree with with you here. Jedi hate was intensified when chatboards, listserves and blogs intensified in the late 90’s…mostly by those that didn’t actually live Star Wars

It became a shield for a lot of grievances

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Your opinion of course, others will vary.

The point being is that I think this idea that a SW movie must do $2B every time is a unrealistic expectation, one that admittedly Disney bought into also. Over $1B certainly, but over $2B being a must and that the drops seen by the other 2 is some indictment on the franchise is a bit overblown in my opinion. Rather, as mentioned, I think the other 2 (and Rogue One) are more in-line where the franchise should be performing if you take out the one outlier of Awakens.

If you’re gonna talk past the concept and quote charts…save it for marvel. Or anything.

Not Star Wars…I’m in the weeds on this one. It doesn’t take Mensa to figure out the mistakes.

No franchise in history was less suited to a reboot and “directors vision”

It had an ethos of its own…because of the time and place it came from.
That’s why it is unique.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Awakens was the first after a drought, and featured original cast.

And succeeded on only those “merits”

We all knew that night or the next day…

“I think it was good…yeah…good table setter”

How’d that shake out?

 

[Trauma]

So is KK actually leaving or is she sticking around a few more years?

I was hoping for a chance of good Star Wars again in the next 10 years.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

So is KK actually leaving or is she sticking around a few more years?

I was hoping for a chance of good Star Wars again in the next 10 years.

There’s not many people left for Bob to throw overboard at this point

Damaro…Kennedy…maybe even feige if the summer goes badly (off to a banger start)

He’s due to give himself another contract extension…just needs the pretense of a crisis and “strong response” to do it

 

[Agent H]

There’s not many people left for Bob to throw overboard at this point

Damaro…Kennedy…maybe even feige if the summer goes badly (off to a banger start)

He’s due to give himself another contract extension…just needs the pretense of a crisis and “strong response” to do it

If iger doesn’t leave I’ll eat my fedora.

 

[Disney Irish]

If you’re gonna talk past the concept and quote charts…save it for marvel. Or anything.

Not Star Wars…I’m in the weeds on this one. It doesn’t take Mensa to figure out the mistakes.

No franchise in history was less suited to a reboot and “directors vision”

It had an ethos of its own…because of the time and place it came from.
That’s why it is unique.

Except if you've notice I haven't talked story beyond just saying your take is your opinion.

Ok, so "story" aside, based on you being in the "weeds", what is your expectation on what a SW movie should do based on the state of todays market?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

If iger doesn’t leave I’ll eat my fedora.

…better get some ketchup

I will welcome the day…but absolutely won’t trust it until it happens.

He’ll either bail (again) or make up an excuse why he has to stay (for the fifth time)

 

[Agent H]

…better get some ketchup

I will welcome the day…but absolutely won’t trust it until it happens.

He’ll either bail (again) or make up an excuse why he has to stay (for the fifth time)

Okay but if he does you have to eat your football helmet.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Except if you've notice I haven't talked story beyond just saying your take is your opinion.

Ok, so "story" aside, based on you being in the "weeds", what is your expectation on what a SW movie should do based on the state of todays market?

My “opinion” is they’ve crashed the most bankable movie franchise EVER. Backed up by reality.

What would a truly good Star Wars movie make? Infinity war…avatar…no joke

Gen X is the primary spending Economic force and will be for the next 10 years (minimum)…all the kids are going for that one

How did farce awakens make 2 beans? 15 year olds spending lunch money?
Nah…

And Star Wars…because if filled the cultural vacuum of the late 70’s and 80’s in the west…has unique capabilities. I’ve called it the “ultimate nato” franchise…which it would be again with quality…and even the Chinese would gobble it up this time.

This is what it’s like in the weeds

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Okay but if he does you have to eat your football helmet.

With a nice bernaise?

Well worth it

 

[Tony the Tigger]

Agreed, which is why I think it actually overperformed and thus isn't a good measuring stick by which to set expectations of what a SW movie should do in today's box office. The other two movies (and adding in Rogue One) being still over $1B seem more in-line with the performance that a franchise like this should be doing.

Yep. Like Marvels.

Or you could try to win people back with an all white (space alien) cast, with just token roles for anyone else - oh, and bring Luke back from the dead as a perfect person, because apparently the “fandom” (who must not have been paying attention) thought he could do no wrong.

 

[Disney Irish]

My “opinion” is they’ve crashed the most bankable movie franchise EVER. Backed up by reality.

What would a truly good Star Wars movie make? Infinity war…avatar…no joke

Gen X is the primary spending Economic force and will be for the next 10 years (minimum)…all the kids are going for that one

How did farce awakens make 2 beans? 15 year olds spending lunch money?
Nah…

And Star Wars…because if filled the cultural vacuum of the late 70’s and 80’s in the west…has unique capabilities. I’ve called it the “ultimate nato” franchise…which it would be again with quality…and even the Chinese would gobble it up this time.

This is what it’s like in the weeds

I think Awakens did $2B on built up demand and nothing more. And that when the hype of "OMG ITS STAR WARS AFTER 30 YEARS IN THEATERS!?!?!?!?!?" died down we got the more realistic draw of what SW can do in theaters today of $1-1.5B.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Yep. Like Marvels.

Or you could try to win people back with an all white (space alien) cast, with just token roles for anyone else - oh, and bring Luke back from the dead as a perfect person, because apparently the “fandom” (who must not have been paying attention) thought he could do no wrong.

This kinda snip (incorrect at that) totally undermines why Star Wars was popular

You’re mining the past for current grievances

Which never works

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I think Awakens did $2B on built up demand and nothing more. And that when the hype of "OMG ITS STAR WARS AFTER 30 YEARS IN THEATERS!?!?!?!?!?" died down we got the more realistic draw of what SW can do in theaters today of $1-1.5B.

That is exactly why it did $2 B…but the drops paint a different story

If these kinda mega tentpoles are received well…they grow in sales

There are a lot of examples. One in marvel that’s pretty comparable

 

[Disney Irish]

That is exactly why it did $2 B…but the drops paint a different story

If these kinda mega tentpoles are received well…they grow in sales

There are a lot of examples. One in marvel that’s pretty comparable

Ok, so we only need 30 years between releases to get that same $2B. Great call Bob right now and tell him.

Or we reset expectations and see that you can't do with every movie all the time, no matter the franchise. Heck I even question if Avatar 3 can do it this year, I think it'll end up being sub-$2B.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Ok, so we only need 30 years between releases to get that same $2B. Great call Bob right now and tell him.

Or we reset expectations and see that you can't do with every movie all the time, no matter the franchise. Heck I even question if Avatar 3 can do it this year, I think it'll end up being sub-$2B.

Avengers
Lord of the rings
The dark knight trilogy
Harry Potter

How old are you again? You talk about Star Wars like you didn’t live it?

Around for the 80’s?

Star Wars isn’t “some movie” it never was. It basically created modern Hollywood in many ways. ILM alone did that…a couple of times

 

[DKampy]

oh, and bring Luke back from the dead as a perfect person, because apparently the “fandom” (who must not have been paying attention) thought he could do no wrong.

Yep… Luke is a flawed person with depth…. What a concept

 

[Disney Irish]

Avengers
Lord of the rings
The dark knight trilogy
Harry Potter

How old are you again? You talk about Star Wars like you didn’t live it?

Around for the 80’s?

Star Wars isn’t “some movie” it never was. It basically created modern Hollywood in many ways. ILM alone did that…a couple of times

I'm looking at this realistically from a business sense based on today's box office, not just from a personal emotional one.

Name which movies on that list besides Avengers that did over $2B? $2B is a very hard measure to hit as only 6 movies ever have done it, so I think we need to be realistic here. You can't say that just because its Star Wars that it MUST do over $2B for every movie, that is just not a realistic expectation especially in today's market.

 

[Phroobar]

Avengers
Lord of the rings
The dark knight trilogy
Harry Potter

How old are you again? You talk about Star Wars like you didn’t live it?

Around for the 80’s?

Star Wars isn’t “some movie” it never was. It basically created modern Hollywood in many ways. ILM alone did that…a couple of times

Star Wars Episode IV A New Hope is one of the top ten most important movies of all time. It is right up there with the Wizard of Oz, The Godfather and Citizen Kane.