My how stubborn you can be, sorry the film didnt turn out to be the flaming piece of dung you thought it would! Its okay for you to like this film you know, just like it is okay to be wrong about it
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Disneyfanman
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100% Fresh rating at Rotton tomatoes so far (only 11 reviews but still.....) I have made a complete 180 on Frozen. I hated the teaser and was sure that the film would be garbage. Since then I have liked each trailer more, found the clips on line to be laugh out loud funny, and have really fallen for the songs that I have heard. I really loved Tangled and am hoping for a great movie here. I cannot wait for it! I still think the first teaser was a miss-fire and I hope it didn't do too much damage. If it breaks through it may be the hit of the Christmas season.
The official version http://waltdisneystudiosawards.com/#/frozen/music/kristen-anderson-lopez
SpectroMan93
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Forbes Review: "'Frozen' is Disney's Triumphant Reaffirmation of it's Cultural Legacy"
One of many rave reviews, but I really love the title of this one. If reviews continue to follow this trend, we're looking at a strong Oscar contender for Best Animated Feature.
One of many rave reviews, but I really love the title of this one. If reviews continue to follow this trend, we're looking at a strong Oscar contender for Best Animated Feature.
RandomPrincess
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Love the review. Some great things in there -
"It is genuinely feminist in the best way: It is about women while also being about women while treating both things as utterly normal. It contains not-just a princess heroine who is genuinely charming and openly funny and whose relative ability to take charge is never really called into question, it doesn’t treat any of this as remotely noteworthy. The genuine chemistry that Anna shares with every character, from her sister to her would-be suitors is infectious"
"Frozen‘s arc, of a girl told to hide away what makes her special even by those who would claim to love her with the resulting collateral damage, is rife with subtext. It operates as a parable for homosexuality as well as a commentary on how women are constantly condemned and punished for not conforming to ever-changing and contradictory standards of femininity... this is worthwhile material for the kind of movie that will surely be seen by generations of young people and their parents.
"The film pushing the fairy tale princess story forward rather than mocking it or bathing in nostalgia."
lazyboy97o
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Wow. This has moved me from rather meh to interested. It just seems to not what I expect of contemporary Disney.
RandomPrincess
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They say some great things about the music as well and talks about the songs being one of the things that sets Disney apart from all other animated films.
I had a feeling that lgbt themes would be pretty consistent in the film especially with Elsa's situation. I don't wanna say I called it ;D but I called it.
I hope this film wins the Oscar for best animated feature, its crazy to think that since the categories inception back in 2002 Walt Disney animated studios has not won once. Pixar and other studios have had the pleasure of winning it. Hopefully this year will be a turn around, the only competition frozen has is Monsters U which was pretty okay in my opinion nothing stellar and the Wind rises. The second one might be some competition considering how it's Miyazaki's last film but his other films have failed since spirited away to capture american audience's attention.
RandomPrincess
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Sadly Disney hasn't put out anything worthy of winning.
You are right before they haven't, but this time, I think they just might have.
Bairstow
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They should have won in 2012.
Wreck it Ralph was much better than Brave, though it was a pretty weak year. The Rabbi's Cat would have won if it had gotten a qualifying release.
RandomPrincess
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I personally liked Ralph better then Brave as well.
Magenta Panther
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God I HATED Paranorman. Hideous and contrived, IMO. Almost walked out of the theater.
Anyway, it'll be a cold day in a certain warm place before I root against Disney animation, even if I have no interest in it myself. I have to say though that an awful lot of the praise for Frozen seems to derive from an enthusiasm for the film's alleged feminist statement and "strong female characters". One of the reviewers has even said "Disney finally gets it." To which person I say: "STICK IT." In my opinion, Disney has ALWAYS had strong female characters. Snow White is the equal of Merida any day - heck, she surpasses her, because at least Snow was likable. The reviewers also seem to have an appalling ignorance about Frozen's supposed source material - "The Snow Queen". THAT story had lots of strong female characters that the producers of Frozen saw fit to discard in favor of the merchandising possibilities in two more princesses.
Well, anyway, Frozen will likely do just fine at the box office. But I still weep for what it might have been...
Magenta Panther
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Agree, Wreck-It Ralph was excellent, easily better than Brave. As for the Rabbi's Cat...I couldn't quite warm up to it, although it was certainly an interesting film...
Magenta Panther
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The above makes me even less interested in seeing Frozen, frankly. The more the reviewers babble about its messages and "parables", the more it sounds like pandering rather than entertainment. Ecchhh.
Glad you found another made up reason to not like the movie! As for paranorman if you think there is nothing of value from that film, well good luck to ya.. Snow white is certainty not the equivalent to Merida in terms of a female hero on any scale even if that scale is imaginary. Also lemme break it down for ya for the original snow queen
Having more female cast doesn’t always equal an empowering tale especially when we take a look at the roles many of them had. Gerda was essentially very caring which is admirable but other than that she used tears to solve all her problems and more than not was always helped by someone else. The actual snow queen fall’s into the evil seductress trope and uses her charm and kisses to get kai to forget about gerda, she kisses him once to numb the pain, twice to forget about gerda, and it is stated that if she kiss him a third time he will die.
Gerda goes off to find him, finds an old sorceress (another evil woman) who tries to make her forget all about kai. She makes her garden full of roses sink below the earth because roses remind gerda of kai, until gerda’s warm tears cause the rose bush to rise above the earth and bring her memories back. Warm tears. She meets the robber girl who is a pretty dynamic character for a fairy tale back then who joins her on her journey to the snow queen’s palace and helps Gerda bust out of her cell with the help of a talking reindeer. Gerda finally gets to the palace but can’t get past the gaurds so she makes her entrance by wait for it, praying the lords prayer which causes angles to come in and do some damage (That part is actually kinda cool). She then finds kai but his heart is frozen and he has become cruel due to the troll shard in his eye. Gerda weeps warm tears on him and once again her tears work and save kai. They all go back and live happily ever after.
Now Disney animation has been trying to bring this fairy tale to life since forever I kid you not. But to each time no avail they just couldn't get the story to work, the snow queen isn’t even present for the climax of the story, they didn't know how to translate and make her character worthwhile and engaging without some major re writing. So here is what happened, Elsa is really both the snow queen and kai from the original tale. They merged the whole ice powers, but also the fear and isolation that kai had to suffer with the troll shard in his heart. Elsa is kai, and Anna is gerda who is symbolic of love and child like wonder. They worked the fable so that it wasn’t about the love between a boy and a girl, but the love between two sisters and how Anna refuses to give up even though her sister keeps pushing her away. The robber girl character was dropped, but I suppose she no longer had a purpose in this story, everyone has a role and they are put there for a distinct reason. But overall if you look at it I think the film is going to have theme’s way more prevalent and relatable as well as being much more empowering for young woman today than the original tale ever did. Quantity does not trump Quality, these two women are much more dynamic as characters, and their relationship is very much the lifeblood of the film. They took the snow queen, and made her into someone you not only care about, but understand and I think young girls are really going to relate to her.
Magenta Panther
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Snow White was warm, affectionate, compassionate and sweet. Merida, on the other hand, watched her mother get progressively sick over a potion Merida fed her and showed no anxiety about her condition - just kept bugging her about cancelling her arranged marriage. Nice. I never felt a speck of liking for Merida - what was so memorable about her? Just because she possessed some skill at archery and rode a big brawny horse doesn't make her a role model from my point of view. Plus, aside from her big mouth, she displayed zip personality. "I am woman, hear me bore" should be HER motto.
And why couldn't the Disney crew "get the story to work" in the Snow Queen? The original story has everything and then some: a great villain, perhaps the equal to Maleficent (Malificent was a sorceress of fire, while the Snow Queen is her counterpart in ice...oh, the possibilities, never to be realized now), two sympathetic and endearing leads, wonderfully original secondary characters, several of which were female, a terrific locale and a storyline containing poignancy, danger, heartbreak, courage, devotion and a satisfying ending...and the Disney writers couldn't make all that work????
Well, then they're incompetent. I'll tell you what i think: I wonder if Kay and Gerda scared them because, you know, in the original story, the girl rescues the boy, which of course would turn off the movie's potential male audience because males are dreadfully insecure and stupid and couldn't handle something like that - so Kay became a girl, thus making the story into a girl rescuing another GIRL, which would not turn off the males and yet still make some kind of feminist statement about female empowerment and blah blah blah. I'd bet anything that's what it was, why that choice was made. I can't think of any other reason, except again the merchandising angle ("The two princesses come with everything you see here. Each princess sold separately.")
I couldn't care less about the love between the two sisters, at least not in comparison to the affection between Kay and Gerda, both in the original story and the Russian animated film adaptation. The loss of that element, the absence of what could have been a terrific new Disney villain, and the slobbering reindeer and the dopey snowman, all have convinced me that Frozen is not a film I care to see. But again, I have no doubt it will do well when it's released. And sell a lot of plastic Elsa and Anna toys. Ka-ching!
And why couldn't the Disney crew "get the story to work" in the Snow Queen? The original story has everything and then some: a great villain, perhaps the equal to Maleficent (Malificent was a sorceress of fire, while the Snow Queen is her counterpart in ice...oh, the possibilities, never to be realized now), two sympathetic and endearing leads, wonderfully original secondary characters, several of which were female, a terrific locale and a storyline containing poignancy, danger, heartbreak, courage, devotion and a satisfying ending...and the Disney writers couldn't make all that work????
Well, then they're incompetent. I'll tell you what i think: I wonder if Kay and Gerda scared them because, you know, in the original story, the girl rescues the boy, which of course would turn off the movie's potential male audience because males are dreadfully insecure and stupid and couldn't handle something like that - so Kay became a girl, thus making the story into a girl rescuing another GIRL, which would not turn off the males and yet still make some kind of feminist statement about female empowerment and blah blah blah. I'd bet anything that's what it was, why that choice was made. I can't think of any other reason, except again the merchandising angle ("The two princesses come with everything you see here. Each princess sold separately.")
I couldn't care less about the love between the two sisters, at least not in comparison to the affection between Kay and Gerda, both in the original story and the Russian animated film adaptation. The loss of that element, the absence of what could have been a terrific new Disney villain, and the slobbering reindeer and the dopey snowman, all have convinced me that Frozen is not a film I care to see. But again, I have no doubt it will do well when it's released. And sell a lot of plastic Elsa and Anna toys. Ka-ching!