Frozen

AndyLL

Member
I already knew that Disney had discarded most of the elements of The Snow Queen when it created Frozen before I wasted my money seeing it, but I couldn't imagine why.

They tried to keep many elements of the original story in the movie. And they went away one by one as the movie was developed.

Disney has been trying to make a Snow Queen movie for 20 years. Walt himself could not adapt the story into a movie.

I have no problems with changing a story for film if those changes improve on the source material, or at least do it justice. Frozen, IMO, didn't do that.

It's fine for you to not like the movie. I don't like many of the popular Disney movies including The Lion King.

However you need to realize you are in a very small minority in this belief.

Even leaving The Snow Queen out of the argument - to me, Frozen is a lackluster film that is doing well because there is virtually nothing else at the theaters right now for families, and it's Christmastime.

Sorry... you don't become the highest ( or 2nd ) grossing Disney film ( 1st release ) by being 'lucky'.

The Lion King had less competition. Are you going to say the only reason it is the [currently] highest grossing Disney animated film is because there was nothing else in the theaters?
 
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Sped2424

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They tried to keep many elements of the original story in the movie. And they went away one by one as the movie was developed.

Disney has been trying to make a Snow Queen movie for 20 years. Walt himself could not adapt the story into a movie.



It's fine for you to not like the movie. I don't like many of the popular Disney movies including The Lion King.

However you need to realize you are in a very small minority in this belief.



Sorry... you don't become the highest ( or 2nd ) grossing Disney film ( 1st release ) by being 'lucky'.

The Lion King had less competition. Are you going to say the only reason it is the [currently] highest grossing Disney animated film is because there was nothing else in the theaters?
You also don't receive an 89 percent on rotten tomatoes and an 8.1 on imbd by being lackluster...just saying lol Like I said your entitled to not like the film, but that doesn't make the movie bad by any means. Word of mouth on this one is strong too, a lot of people that I have ran into said they were blown away by the film.
 

SpectroMan93

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I didn't watch Sped's video, so I might be out of the loop here. But I think we can disagree without name-calling. Or at least I can.

But I would like to hear you Frozen fans' explanation as to why Disney created a movie loosely based - it says - on the classic Hans Christian Anderson story "The Snow Queen", and yet in that movie there is not a single character from the source material, with the possible exception of the reindeer (who played a very different role in the story, and could talk as well). Why did the Disney writers jettison practically everything? And what other Disney movie also based on a classic story has done that? In its other book-derived movies, Disney has made changes to characters, up to and including changing a character's gender, but never before has it junked practically everything.

I'd also like to hear any of you refute my contention that Disney did what it did because of marketing considerations. Well?
For context, I am quoting the video. And I recommend you at least listen to it.

I honestly see no problem with Disney changing up it's usual fairytale formula. In fact, I welcome the approach they are taking now. It's modern, yet with heart, and that's very refreshing. The way they are making movies now is finally striking a chord with people now, when they've been off key for years. Your critique that they aren't closer to the source-material is unfair, because you aren't letting the film be it's own. You are comparing it to a fantasy of how you wanted it, which honestly isn't your right to decide. Everyone who has enjoyed this film was able to because they viewed it as Frozen, not the Snow Queen. You're mad that there is a difference, when others seem to understand there's supposed to be one, and that's where they benefit.

Honestly, your criticisms seem to be out of some weird spite for the film, like it dumped you or something, and despite the good that was in the film, you are determined to pick out the bad and exploit it, no matter how far-fetched. Your main critiques are too loose of an adaption and marketing, but fail to mention the plot, the score, animation, or the characters. And don't even start with the Dreamworks comparison because not a single Dreamworks score holds a candle to the soundtrack of this film. And I am chalking up your Wicked comparison as pure ignorance, because this post is going on long. The real point is that you are welcome to have a differing opinion, but there's no need to instigate others who you seem to feel have the wrong opinion.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
Even leaving The Snow Queen out of the argument - to me, Frozen is a lackluster film that is doing well because there is virtually nothing else at the theaters right now for families, and it's Christmastime.

I can tell you why we went to see the film had absolutely nothing to do with anything you listed.

My kid saw the promos, had money, and asked to take her friend.

We see movies when there is something we want to see... Not because 'it's Friday what should we see'
 

olinecoach61

Well-Known Member
Well I haven't read the other 22 pages on this thread, but we just saw the movie and enjoyed it. A little much on the singing at times but I enjoyed it overall. Olaf was great.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
And of the millions who have gone to see this film.... How many do you think chose to see the film based on a tag line 'based on...'?

The whole source discussion is irrelevant to the film's success. And they can't rewrite that the film's development stemmed from it... So in all the 'rules' of Hollywood maybe they have to keep the reference.
 

Magenta Panther

Well-Known Member
They tried to keep many elements of the original story in the movie. And they went away one by one as the movie was developed.

Disney has been trying to make a Snow Queen movie for 20 years. Walt himself could not adapt the story into a movie.



It's fine for you to not like the movie. I don't like many of the popular Disney movies including The Lion King.

However you need to realize you are in a very small minority in this belief.



Sorry... you don't become the highest ( or 2nd ) grossing Disney film ( 1st release ) by being 'lucky'.

The Lion King had less competition. Are you going to say the only reason it is the [currently] highest grossing Disney animated film is because there was nothing else in the theaters?

I said all that, not Gabe, for the record. And what I'm saying is that a Disney family movie that has come out at the Christmas season that has no competition is helped a little by that fact. Are you saying that isn't a factor? No, that isn't the entire reason. I'm not denying Frozen is a big success. Where did I say it wasn't?

As for "Walt himself could not adapt the story into a movie" - feh. It's hard to believe he couldn't have done a better job. He probably just never got around to it, having other fish to fry. As for the post-Walt efforts...I glanced at that Jim Hill article, and it looks like during the Eisner era, the Disney scripters were focusing on the Snow Queen herself as the major character. How stupid. That would be like focusing on the Wicked Queen in Snow White as the main character. The Snow Queen was a villain in the story; Gerda was the hero. And that "Taming of the Shrew" angle...gahh. It looks like Eisner was making the same mistake the current gang did - trying to fit the Snow Queen story into the Disney Princess template. And they failed, duh, big surprise. Like the Frozen scripters did. So they threw out all of the stuff that couldn't be pounded into something merchandisable, and came up with the two Barbies. And the scheme worked. Frozen toys are selling like mad and the movie is a hit.

BUT I DON'T LIKE IT. 'Kay? I think it's a cynical, unimaginative, contrived, derivative (from the "Dreamworks" model, complete with smirking characters on the movie posters) film that bored me silly. It's hard for me to believe that a company that came up with Maleficent couldn't come up with a great Snow Queen villain, and adapt a story about love and courage and magic into a good movie without throwing most of it out. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe the company I'm thinking of, in truth, just doesn't exist anymore. Disney is about branding now. It's the Bob Iger company. And apparently, for a lot of you, that works. Fine. I don't care if I'm in the minority opinion. I gave my honest opinion, and that's that.

EDITED TO ADD: Now we've all had our little row. If I upset anyone, I apologize. To me, this place is like having a second family. And in any family, there are squabbles. But big deal. We all love Disney, after all. And I assure you guys, if Frozen had failed, it would have broken my heart - because of what that might have done to Walt Disney Animation Studios. If WDAS doesn't deliver, then Iger could very well shut it down. He tried to sell Disneyland, after all. So it's good that WDAS has had 2 big hits in a row. I hope its next film is something I can enjoy.
 
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Gabe1

Ivory Tower Squabble EST 2011. WINDMILL SURVIVOR
They tried to keep many elements of the original story in the movie. And they went away one by one as the movie was developed.

Disney has been trying to make a Snow Queen movie for 20 years. Walt himself could not adapt the story into a movie.



It's fine for you to not like the movie. I don't like many of the popular Disney movies including The Lion King.

However you need to realize you are in a very small minority in this belief.



Sorry... you don't become the highest ( or 2nd ) grossing Disney film ( 1st release ) by being 'lucky'.

The Lion King had less competition. Are you going to say the only reason it is the [currently] highest grossing Disney animated film is because there was nothing else in the theaters?

Andy, don't know what you did here but that isn't my post. That post is from Magenta Panther and so far from my views I've posted. Might want to re-edit it 'cause Gabe1 did not say any of that.
 

RandomPrincess

Keep Moving Forward
Frozen ended up number 2 but rose in it's 6th week to make more money then last week. 7th highest grossing movie of the year - so far.

From Entertainment Weekly -
The prize for Most Improved this week goes to Frozen, which jumped a remarkable 46.9 percent in its sixth weekend — despite actually playing at 205 fewer theaters. Disney’s animated musical made $28.9 over the three-day weekend, raising its total to $248.4 million. It’s already the seventh highest-grossing film of 2013 and looks likely to overtake Gravity ($254.6 million) and Monsters University ($268.5 million) in the weeks to come. Disney’s last princess tale, 2010′s Tangled, had a similar box office bump in 2010, when it jumped 52.5 percent during the post-Christmas weekend, although the movie’s total at that point was just $167.8 million on its way to a $200 million cume.
 
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AndyLL

Member
Frozen ended up number 2 but rose in it's 6th week to make more money then last week. 7th highest grossing movie of the year - so far.

Frozen's 5th weekend was the 3rd highest of all times behind Avatar and Titanic.
Frozen's 6th weekend will be the 2nd highest of all times behind Avatar.

If the estimates hold it will finish 2nd to The Hobbit this weekend. However, unlike the Hobbit, it has no IMAX and very few 3D screens and a much greater number of cheaper child tickets.

Amazing staying power.

It really has no animated family movie competition until the Lego Movie in February.

It should get a little bump from nominations and wins during the award season.

Unlikely to beat Despicable Me II but has a reasonable shot to hit 350 million which is fantastic.
 

Magenta Panther

Well-Known Member
Frozen's 5th weekend was the 3rd highest of all times behind Avatar and Titanic.
Frozen's 6th weekend will be the 2nd highest of all times behind Avatar.

If the estimates hold it will finish 2nd to The Hobbit this weekend. However, unlike the Hobbit, it has no IMAX and very few 3D screens and a much greater number of cheaper child tickets.

Amazing staying power.

It really has no animated family movie competition until the Lego Movie in February.

And even I wouldn't call that "competition". Did you SEE the trailer for that? LAMENESS. It's like a little kid sat down with his toys and created a Seinfeld episode. I wouldn't give tuppence to see that. :p
 

AndyLL

Member
And even I wouldn't call that "competition". Did you SEE the trailer for that? LAMENESS. It's like a little kid sat down with his toys and created a Seinfeld episode. I wouldn't give tuppence to see that. :p

Nut Job ( in Jan ) is not competition which is why I didn't mention it.

The Lego Movie absolutely is. It is predicted to make around 150 Million.
 

Sped2424

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Original Poster
Frozen's 5th weekend was the 3rd highest of all times behind Avatar and Titanic.
Frozen's 6th weekend will be the 2nd highest of all times behind Avatar.

If the estimates hold it will finish 2nd to The Hobbit this weekend. However, unlike the Hobbit, it has no IMAX and very few 3D screens and a much greater number of cheaper child tickets.

Amazing staying power.

It really has no animated family movie competition until the Lego Movie in February.

It should get a little bump from nominations and wins during the award season.

Unlikely to beat Despicable Me II but has a reasonable shot to hit 350 million which is fantastic.
I just checked up despicable me 2's gross and holy cow that is insane. That film was funny, but I thought it lacked the heart of the first film definitely didn't think it would rake in that much cash, but those minions are pure gold.
 

Gabe1

Ivory Tower Squabble EST 2011. WINDMILL SURVIVOR
Frozen's 5th weekend was the 3rd highest of all times behind Avatar and Titanic.
Frozen's 6th weekend will be the 2nd highest of all times behind Avatar.

If the estimates hold it will finish 2nd to The Hobbit this weekend. However, unlike the Hobbit, it has no IMAX and very few 3D screens and a much greater number of cheaper child tickets.

Amazing staying power.

It really has no animated family movie competition until the Lego Movie in February.

It should get a little bump from nominations and wins during the award season.

Unlikely to beat Despicable Me II but has a reasonable shot to hit 350 million which is fantastic.

Amazing!
 

Magenta Panther

Well-Known Member
Nut Job ( in Jan ) is not competition which is why I didn't mention it.

The Lego Movie absolutely is. It is predicted to make around 150 Million.

But you can already get Lego Movies on Netflix. Why would anyone pay movie theater prices to see more? If it were Lego Star Wars or Harry Potter or something I could see it being successful...maybe...the incongruity alone could maybe make the stupid gimmick seem funny...I guess...

Oh god the "Nut Job" trailer was even worse. Reminded me of "Over the Hedge". Def a renter at best. :p
 

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