Interesting take on it, but it looks like Epcot is becoming better and better for my kids. If only the rat ride would show up...
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Frozen ride replacing Maelstrom?
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Gomer
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Not necessarily true. My 4 year old loves Epcot. Is 4 old? His favorite ride is spaceship earth, followed by living with the land. And he watches @marni1971 ’s Reflections of China video 3 or 4 times I week. I mean, maybe that’s a little weird…oh wait…never mind…that is really weird that he does that. But, he likes it is the point.
lebeau
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My kids have always loved Epcot. They aren't necessarily riding rides there. But they love the Seas and they enjoy the World Showcase. They could spend a whole day on kidcot stations alone. This year, they insisted on having a picnic in the Mexico pavilion. (By the way, not a good idea when you are wearing a white shirt. Those tacos are messy.)
They like the little stuff. They played in the fountain. They enjoy Club Cool. They'll ride Figment and like the exhibits in the Imagination pavilion.
Now Josie is 9 and she's starting to enjoy Soarin' and Test Track. But ever since they were toddlers, they have enjoyed something at Epcot. Not once have they ever been bored.
If they truly "listened" to their customers and/or wanted to make them happy why do we never see better resort prices? Or at least stop seeing price hikes every year.
lebeau
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That's a good argument for you to be in favor of it. It's a bad argument for the global population. What appeals to your kids may make for a terrible theme park experience for the rest of us.
My kids love Frozen. My 5 year old is probably singing songs from the sound track as I type this. They don't like Maelstrom and would prefer it be turned into a Frozen ride. Doesn't make it a good idea.
JCorduroy
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My five year old adores Epcot. He loves SSE, the current Maelstrom, the Seas, Imagination (he ain't perfect, folks), and the Kidcot stations in the World Showcase are some of his favorite things.
He doesn't need a Frozen ride to be happy, but he certainly wouldn't be upset if there was one.
He doesn't need a Frozen ride to be happy, but he certainly wouldn't be upset if there was one.
lazyboy97o
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Because that feedback never genuinely existed in strong numbers.
And some people are bored with the Magic Kingdom because it isn't more authentic, because it is too neat and perfect, because there are no homeless laying around or protestors or drug dealers. But that is not the purpose of the Magic Kingdom and it should not be twisted and distorted into something it is not or was never meant to be. World Showcase was created as a place to share the world, not be a display of different film settings and loose film settings. This is not my opinion, but the stated goals of the people who created the place. If Disney really needs a Disney's Islands of Adventure then they should commit themselves to that instead of compromising World Showcase and only partially realizing the worlds of the films. It is a half assed approach that only offers something to the selfish who want their desires satiated at the expense of others.
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Nobody said your kids were on trial or even questioned it. You made the argument that WS is not fun for YOUR kids and that Frozen will help that, at the same time your telling other people whose families enjoy WS that the park isnt all about what they want.
Exactly, they should do away with tickets, also. The parks and resorts should all be free and free dining should be all year long.
It certainly doesn't make it a bad idea.
Is there anything in that post that's based on reality?
Exactly, I'm countering the argument that WS is awesome as is with the fact that my kids don't super love it and would actually prefer the rumored change. At the same time, I'm telling people who believe that no IP should be in Epcot that 'dems the breaks', given that IP has been in Epcot in a big way for years.
lazyboy97o
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Just because you've been called out for showing your true colors doesn't mean everyone is just as clueless.
lazyboy97o
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No, your telling people that because you and yours don't like something they should give it up for you despite there being plenty of other offers and means. You only want at the expense of others.
What true colors? My position has been basically the same throughout this thread. Here it is again, in case you are confused:
I think that Frozen is a pretty good fit for the Norway pavilion.
My kids would like this.
I hope that helps.
I think the big problem is that the people who want Frozen to overlay Maelstrom believe that the people against it are trying to either save Maelstrom or dont like Frozen. Nothing could be farther from the truth. I would love to see a Frozen attraction and would also love to see it online as quick as possible but not at the expense of WS being its home. The original Frozen M&G was at Norway and now people feel it should the home for an attraction. If they had put the M&G in HS where "Sounds Dangerous" used to be, Id bet people would want the attraction there as well.
The "give the people what they want" argument is flawed because half the time people only THINK they know what they want. The World Cup is a good example. I was having a beer and watching the Brazil match the other day and 99% of the people at the bar were rooting for Brazil. When I asked a few why they wanted Brazil to win they all said, "Its my favorite team". None of them could even name 2 players on the squad. They had no real history with Brazils team or had even watched them before the WC but now its their favorite team? Why? Because Brazil is a widely recognized soccer club and they just want to be associated with a winner. Real soccer fans who have watched Brazils 2 games can tell you that they are not playing to their potential and better pick it up or else they face a tough road ahead. (Especially after tying Mexico, great game!) The fair weather fans of Brazil dont recognize this and a few even told me I was crazy for saying so.lol. Why? because they dont have a HISTORY of being a fan and havent been there to see the teams ups and downs to truly appreciate the team. Same way some fans of Frozen just want a ride, they dont care about the history of EPCOT, WS or what it stands for, they just want something new to be excited about.
The "give the people what they want" argument is flawed because half the time people only THINK they know what they want. The World Cup is a good example. I was having a beer and watching the Brazil match the other day and 99% of the people at the bar were rooting for Brazil. When I asked a few why they wanted Brazil to win they all said, "Its my favorite team". None of them could even name 2 players on the squad. They had no real history with Brazils team or had even watched them before the WC but now its their favorite team? Why? Because Brazil is a widely recognized soccer club and they just want to be associated with a winner. Real soccer fans who have watched Brazils 2 games can tell you that they are not playing to their potential and better pick it up or else they face a tough road ahead. (Especially after tying Mexico, great game!) The fair weather fans of Brazil dont recognize this and a few even told me I was crazy for saying so.lol. Why? because they dont have a HISTORY of being a fan and havent been there to see the teams ups and downs to truly appreciate the team. Same way some fans of Frozen just want a ride, they dont care about the history of EPCOT, WS or what it stands for, they just want something new to be excited about.
I'm not magic. My thinking that the rumored change is a good idea doesn't make it so. Further, my belief that it's a good fit doesn't rob you or yours of anything.
Victim much?
When is the next time you plan on visiitng WDW? this year, next year, or further out? If not this year, wouldnt you rather wait for a Frozen attraction that is worthy? something more grand than just overlaying Maelstrom? If you knew your kids would love it ten times more if it were a larger scale E ticket attraction, would you wait, or just prefer the current plans of overlaying so your kids can have it now?
lazyboy97o
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I really liked Frozen but have reservations about its ability to work as themed entertainment. I think the setting was of little consequence and setting is what makes an environment. Interpersonal relationships aren't the sort of think that involves a crowd either (unless it's daytime television).
Fundamentally altering World Showcase is removing what many people have stated as the prime attraction. It is also the stated intention of the creators. Your response has been "Tough, I don't like it and it has to change for me." I'm not too keen on Finding Nemo: The Musical, so I go see something else instead of whine how I don't care that people like it because I am proof that people don't like it. You and your family are free to skip World Showcase. You would also be able to enjoy a Frozen attraction built elsewhere without it altering the more real world focus of World Showcase, but instead you harp for the solution where only you win.
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