Gomer
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Or teach your kids to open their minds a bit. I have a 10 year old and a 4 year old. Epcot is both of their favorite parks. We spend equal time there as we do at MK during a week long trip.
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Frozen ride replacing Maelstrom?
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lazyboy97o
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That is a problem and I would love you to name some examples of where such a process resulted in a strong creative achievement.
Walt reacted to feedback. That is entirely different than creating from market research and it says a lot that you cannot seem to make that distinction.
lazyboy97o
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You could just not bring them...
Bocabear
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About 10 years ago I participated in a survey and it was so pointed it was ridiculous... "How did you enjoy the character Interactions In the Park Today?"
Which Was your favorite Character Interaction?" "Do you believe children should have a chance to meet Disney Characters in their Theme Parks?"
"How many Characters Did you have a chance to interact with on your day in the park?"
"Where else do you believe we should add more characters?"
there was no way to say you were not interested in characters or did not care about them, just how much more you could add... They were using the survey to prove a point to someone...and needed numbers to fill it in.
Looks like it worked because they seem to be filling all the parks with more and more meet & Grope attractions...
Which Was your favorite Character Interaction?" "Do you believe children should have a chance to meet Disney Characters in their Theme Parks?"
"How many Characters Did you have a chance to interact with on your day in the park?"
"Where else do you believe we should add more characters?"
there was no way to say you were not interested in characters or did not care about them, just how much more you could add... They were using the survey to prove a point to someone...and needed numbers to fill it in.
Looks like it worked because they seem to be filling all the parks with more and more meet & Grope attractions...
The problem is the definition of 'fit'. Some people are arguing that IP doesn't fit in Epcot just because they have the notion that IP shouldn't be in Epcot. I'm in the camp that thinks that Frozen is a nice match for Norway. Obviously, I want them to create the best attraction possible, but I don't have a problem with that attraction being in WS.
DC0703
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The unfortunate thing is that WDW actually has three parks that could use a DCA makeover. One is getting some attention with Avatar, the other two are still in limbo sadly.
It seems that you are the one with the problem making that distinction since bringing characters into Epcot was a reaction to guest feedback.
Of course that's correct. We could just go to that other place down I4, for that matter. I'm thinking that this isnt a resolution that the company would prefer, however.
If parents/adults would just take the time to get their children interested in learning something the kids will appreciate it. Disney helps out with things like "Agent P or Duffy on a stick" that they can take to each country and color and get stamped. That has been a great springboard for our family to get the kids excited about WS and visiting each country. My 10 yr old nephews favorite thing about ALL of WDW is the Japan pavilion. He's 10! I have spent hours with him there while he looks through the shops and watches Matsuriza. I love the Kirin Ichiban and Tokyo Sunsets so Im always happy to oblige when he asks me to take him there.
Some parents are just too lazy or dont care about anything other riding rides. Its a shame that the beauty of WS is lost on some people.
You don't believe that you could give your opinion in that survey? How about if you answered 'I didnt enjoy them', 'Yes, except for Epcot', 'Too many', 'nowhere'.
lazyboy97o
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Remember, Pleasure Island closing was supported by surveys where people said they would like more retail and dining at Downtown Disney but never asked about the night clubs.
It was the people who created the EPCOT Center that came up with the idea.
Disney Research is notorious for getting predetermined feedback. The false story that people wanted the characters is the same false story that claims people were bored, that people didn't visit and that the park was a financial failure. You're entire argument is based on a lie.
You could take them to the Magic Kingdom. The company would still like that wouldn't they?
You wouldn't take them to the Smithsonian if you knew they didn't like museums I don't suppose.
lazyboy97o
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Disney's surveys are rarely free answer and similarly lacks a truly varied range of choices.
They are renowned for asking questions crafted into getting the answers they want. Surveys in the most part are ticking a corporate box.
Gomer
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The theme park is whatever you want it to be. Anyone can rationalize that characters fit in WS just as easily as you can say they don’t. These are not objective truths. The more important point, I think, is that the intent of WS be upheld to its current standard. None of the other countries have characters, overlays, or re-themes. They didn’t shove Brother Bear into Canada, Pinocchio into Italy, Mulan into China as has been rumored throughout the years. For the most part, is what it was intended to be. A walk through romanticized versions of the countries of the world, focusing on food, drinks, and shopping with occasional attractions meant to boost tourism. (Intended as in since opening. I know the intent of Epcot in general has shifted greatly throughout the years)
I’m usually on Disney’s side when it comes to change being needed, but in this case this just stinks of the beginning of the end for WS. It feels very similar to DHS/MGM when they stopped making movies there. It’s a break in the current intended cohesive presentation. Is it an aberration? If it’s an aberration made out of desperation to include Frozen somewhere, I can hold my nose and tolerate it. Or, is it the beginning of a change in how Disney perceives World Showcase? With the still recent sting of what has befallen Future World and DHS, I can’t trust that it’s the former enough to not be worried by the development.
True and you just stated that they should react to guest feedback. If the guests believe that they were wrong by not including IP in Epcot, why is it now wrong for the company to react to this feedback? (Other than because you personally disagree with it.)
The problem with your argument is that some people are bored in WS. Your argument is based on your own spin.
Have you actually attempted to show your children the wonderful things to experience in WS? The street performers, the food, desserts, hidden mickeys, the architecture, toys from other countries in the gift shops, etc, etc,. If I had kids that could not find something to be excited about amongst all that there is in WS, I would be motivated to help them understand as well as aid in allowing them to have more rounded view of the world. What good parent wouldnt?
I bet that they would like it even more if their guests went to all of their parks and didn't need to flesh out their vacations by driving down the interstate, right?
Most museums don't provide too much interest for kids of their age. That's kind of a problem with what I see of many of the 'my kids love epcot' posts. Their kids are older.
Once again, maybe Epcot is not for your kids then. Not yet anyway.
I realize that I fell right into the fallacy trap. My kids are somehow on trial because they would like the rumored changes. This thread isn't about my kids, it's about the rumor that Frozen is going to replace Maelstrom. I am for this change as I believe that it will be a positive for my families enjoyment. To me, that's a stornger argument than 'they shouldn't do it because IP shouldn't be in Epcot, even though IP is all over Epcot. I'm certain that we had more character interactions in Epcot than all of the other parks combined on our last trip.
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