Frozen ride replacing Maelstrom?

[MarkTwain]

Frozen deserves more. So does Norway.

Absolutely, to both. My point is just that even if one can completely detach themselves from the original intent of Epcot/World Showcase, and what the national pavilions are supposed to represent (as many here seem to have been able to), this just isn't a good idea on WDW's part. They could be seriously damaging their own reputation here, even among those that don't care about Epcot's values. Even the most average of guests will be able to look at this ride and see how it compares to Gringotts.

 

[EricJ]

Not sure why I'm bothering, but I'll try one more time.

So you are certain that this other poster just made this up and has no actual inside information. I'll ask again, how do you know he is a fraud? Since you aren't going to answer that then at least tell us how you know that Disney isn't considering this project? Who are your inside sources or if you don't want to disclose that at least what's your connection to WDW? If you are asking us to blindly accept that WDW1974 and Pheneix are just making this stuff up then give us some reason to believe you. Both have been here a lot longer than you (or maybe this isn't your first user name)

Proving a negative?--Oh, lord. I hoped you wouldn't go for the Criswell Defense: "Can you prove it's NOT happening? My friends, we are all interested in Epcot's future, for that is where we will spending the rest of our lives..."

I'm not here to flash imaginary resume's, I'm just the guy saying "Okay, thrill me, where the heck IS all this cool stuff you know and we don't?", and getting more and more loudly frustrated--not to mention a tad suspicious--when it doesn't seem to be appearing. I'm the little boy snickering at the Emperor's undies, and no one asked who he was, either; it just sounded good in a crowd.
I want PROOF. Face it, I'm just stupid that way. I don't want to spend some off-time in little games of cranking my disgruntled-fan handle tossing around snarky old fan complaints about what those icky nasty corporate people "would" do with Epcot, or "would" do with the princess lines, or how they "would" spend money here and there, and pretending it's somehow spilled over into the real world to show how in-the-know my cynicism was; show me COOL STUFF, or I'll go on Disney's own park blog and look for it there.
And if you don't have any, or keep us waiting too long for it?...Well. Bum-mahh.

 

[Nemo14]

Proving a negative?--Oh, lord. I hoped you wouldn't go for the Criswell Defense: "Can you prove it's NOT happening? My friends, we are all interested in Epcot's future, for that is where we will spending the rest of our lives..."

I'm not here to flash imaginary resume's, I'm just the guy saying "Okay, thrill me, where the heck IS all this cool stuff you know and we don't?", and getting more and more loudly frustrated--not to mention a tad suspicious--when it doesn't seem to be appearing. I'm the little boy snickering at the Emperor's undies, and no one asked who he was, either; it just sounded good in a crowd.
I want PROOF. Face it, I'm just stupid that way. I don't want to spend some off-time in little games of cranking my disgruntled-fan handle tossing around snarky old fan complaints about what those icky nasty corporate people "would" do with Epcot, or "would" do with the princess lines, or how they "would" spend money here and there, and pretending it's somehow spilled over into the real world to show how in-the-know my cynicism was; show me COOL STUFF, or I'll go on Disney's own park blog and look for it there.
And if you don't have any, or keep us waiting too long for it?...Well. Bum-mahh.

So other than the word of trusted insiders, what do you expect as "proof"? You know as well as anyone that an insider is not going to reveal his sources.

 

[Lee]

How anyone can justify this addition as appropriate for Epcot is beyond me.

Clearly...

 

[dadddio]

They do well, but based on 5 hour waits for the meet and greet Frozen would do unbelievably well. Cindy's Table books 6 months in advance and is always sold out, but I can go on the site right now and book Akershus for either breakfast or dinner tomorrow. Frozen would book like Cindy but would be in a much larger location.

At the end of the day, full is full. You don't get any money from people that aren't able to get a table.

 

[Mike S]

Frozen deserves more.

Something like this, perhaps? http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/my-idea-for-a-frozen-ride.884457/

 

[EricJ]

So other than the word of trusted insiders, what do you expect as "proof"? You know as well as anyone that an insider is not going to reveal his sources.

Okay, if we can't have "proof", how about something a little more danged convincing than "Oh, yeah. Totally. Trust me, folks."

(OTOH, I remember Tom Hanks, cornered by a reporter on his way out of an awards ceremony saying, "What? 'Toy Story 4'? Uh, yeah, sure, heard something, there ya go," and the headline appeared on EVERY entertainment-news source the next day.
I put that in somewhat the same category as the previous "insider" scoop, and the reaction, definitely in the same category.)

 

[unkadug]

So other than the word of trusted insiders, what do you expect as "proof"? You know as well as anyone that an insider is not going to reveal his sources.

 

[GoofGoof]

Something like this, perhaps? http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/my-idea-for-a-frozen-ride.884457/

That would work. Sure beats adding some Frozen characters to Maelstrom and calling it a day. And I'd put in in DHS or MK where it belongs.

 

[Next Big Thing]

At the end of the day, full is full. You don't get any money from people that aren't able to get a table.

But the point is that they currently are not filling up right now as evidenced by him being able to book for tomorrow.

 

[morningstar]

I wonder what they'll do about the theater at the end. Probably just play random clips from the movie if they keep it (or do away with it).

Do I want to give them ideas? They could just change the narrator to Idina Menzel. I mean, would it hurt to leave just one educational thing in?

 

[lazyboy97o]

At the end of the day, full is full. You don't get any money from people that aren't able to get a table.

No, but you could radically hike prices.

Okay, if we can't have "proof", how about something a little more danged convincing than "Oh, yeah. Totally. Trust me, folks."

(OTOH, I remember Tom Hanks, cornered by a reporter on his way out of an awards ceremony saying, "What? 'Toy Story 4'? Uh, yeah, sure, heard something, there ya go," and the headline appeared on EVERY entertainment-news source the next day.
I put that in somewhat the same category as the previous "insider" scoop, and the reaction, definitely in the same category.)

Maybe spend more than a month reading and you'd see? Or have you been here before?

 

[GoofGoof]

Okay, if we can't have "proof", how about something a little more danged convincing than "Oh, yeah. Totally. Trust me, folks."

(OTOH, I remember Tom Hanks, cornered by a reporter on his way out of an awards ceremony saying, "What? 'Toy Story 4'? Uh, yeah, sure, heard something, there ya go," and the headline appeared on EVERY entertainment-news source the next day.
I put that in somewhat the same category as the previous "insider" scoop, and the reaction, definitely in the same category.)

I'd love to have a little more details too. Attacking someone and ing them off isn't the best way to get them to share information that they have. I don't know if this rumor is true or not, but it's worth discussing in my opinion. You are convinced its definitely not true, but won't give us any proof why. So I ask you "if we can't have "proof", how about something a little more danged convincing than "Oh, yeah. Totally. Trust me, folks."

 

[NobodyElse]

A couple of quick observations:

We've seen this situation over and over again for years. Somebody posts they've got information about a project, from sources they don't wish to reveal. Then, eventually the prediction comes to pass (See, I told you so) or doesn't (Well, things change - that was the plan when I reported it). There's no point in arguing, as there's no real accountability.

Now, as an academic experiment, let's assume the plan is to put a "value engineered" Frozen attraction in place of Maelstrom. Without passing any good or evil judgement on the idea, I believe it's totally feasible. Value engineered would imply to that they are not going to alter, or extend the actual ride path/mechanism. With that in mind, the closest parallel I can think of is Haunted Mansion Holiday. I'm not sure how long it took from inception to installation (let's assume 12-18 months) but in that time props and set dressings were created, sound tracks, fx were scored and recorded, animatronics were built and programmed. The bulk of this process all took place off-site. Then (as they do every year) it's all installed in if I recall correctly less than a month.

So, this is for a temporary overlay, that truly does transform the attraction (complete with swapping out animatronics). It wouldn't be much of a stretch to take this same route with Maelstrom/Frozen. In a way, it might even be easier if they wanted to make it permanent. They could tear out, and replace sets without the worry of putting it back the way it was 3 months later.

(PS: As an aside, I believe Haunted Mansion Holiday was/is a project from Entertainment, not WDI. Just more food for thought...)

 

[ScoutN]

 

[morningstar]

I'm gonna disagree with the suggestion to put the Frozen ride in Hollywood Studios. Hollywood Studios should not just be for any movie. It should be for classic, iconic movies. Frozen might be such, but it will take at least 10 years to know. Frozen belongs in the Magic Kingdom.

 

[EricJ]

I'd love to have a little more details too. Attacking someone and ing them off isn't the best way to get them to share information that they have. I don't know if this rumor is true or not, but it's worth discussing in my opinion. You are convinced its definitely not true, but won't give us any proof why. So I ask you "if we can't have "proof", how about something a little more danged convincing than "Oh, yeah. Totally. Trust me, folks."

Well, I thought I already gave it a few pages back:
You know, making the joke about that big press ceremony two and a half weeks ago, when the Disney representative came out in front of the assembled press and fans and announced Harambe Nights at AK, and showed some more concept art from Avatar Land because they didn't have any more to show from it, and they did some promotion for Typhoon Lagoon's rehab, talked some more about SDMT and the arm bands, and strangely...suspiciously, I think...said ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about their big Frozen plans that would have involved a million-dollar outlay, huge expected audience reactions, and a major overhaul of one of their existing areas.
Apparently, it was not a topic for discussion yet, even though it was so clearly in the planning stages twenty days ago. Possibly because they weren't ready to announce it yet, because they knew there would be such angry fan objection to it, that they'd sneak it up on us, the way they closed Mr. Toad!

Yyyyep--Works. For. Me.

 

[GoofGoof]

I'm gonna disagree with the suggestion to put the Frozen ride in Hollywood Studios. Hollywood Studios should not just be for any movie. It should be for classic, iconic movies. Frozen might be such, but it will take at least 10 years to know. Frozen belongs in the Magic Kingdom.

Honey I Shrunk the Kids?

 

[wm49rs]

Well, I thought I already gave it a few pages back:
You know, making the joke about that big press ceremony two and a half weeks ago, when the Disney representative came out in front of the assembled press and fans and announced Harambe Nights at AK, and showed some more concept art from Avatar Land because they didn't have any more to show from it, and they did some promotion for Typhoon Lagoon's rehab, talked some more about SDMT and the arm bands, and strangely...suspiciously, I think...said ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about their big Frozen plans that would have involved a million-dollar outlay, huge expected audience reactions, and a major overhaul of one of their existing areas.
Apparently, it was not a topic for discussion yet, even though it was so clearly in the planning stages twenty days ago. Possibly because they weren't ready to announce it yet, because they knew there would be such angry fan objection to it, that they'd sneak it up on us, the way they closed Mr. Toad!

Yyyyep. Works. For. Me.

Glad your approval was finally met....

 

[GoofGoof]

Well, I thought I already gave it a few pages back:
You know, making the joke about that big press ceremony two and a half weeks ago, when the Disney representative came out in front of the assembled press and fans and announced Harambe Nights at AK, and showed some more concept art from Avatar Land because they didn't have any more to show from it, and they did some promotion for Typhoon Lagoon's rehab, talked some more about SDMT and the arm bands, and strangely...suspiciously, I think...said ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about their big Frozen plans that would have involved a million-dollar outlay, huge expected audience reactions, and a major overhaul of one of their existing areas.
Apparently, it was not a topic for discussion yet, even though it was so clearly in the planning stages twenty days ago. Possibly because they weren't ready to announce it yet, because they knew there would be such angry fan objection to it, that they'd sneak it up on us, the way they closed Mr. Toad!

Yyyyep. Works. For. Me.

Are you serious? You are in the wrong place. If you want to hear about already announced projects go to the Disney Parks Blog. This is a rumor about a project in the very early stages.

Do you think that the day of that announcement they came up with those projects? Earlier that day someone said, "let's have a nighttime dinner party at AK" and everyone in the room agreed it was a good idea so they went and announced it? No, it was an idea that was worked on, probably for weeks or months and then formally announced.