Frozen ride replacing Maelstrom?

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GoofGoof

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How does the mere fact that people are talking about it in the forums mean that the idea has legs? If that were true, there would 15 or twenty DLs spread all over the United States.

Multiple insiders. This thread started a while ago as more of a what if scenario. First Spirit drops in and tells us he has info about Frozen in EPCOT and then @pheneix shared some details. 2 unrelated sources.
 

dadddio

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Multiple insiders. This thread started a while ago as more of a what if scenario. First Spirit drops in and tells us he has info about Frozen in EPCOT and then @pheneix shared some details. 2 unrelated sources.
You make it sound like one of them is confirming the other when that's not the case, at all. If 'spirit' were to pop in and confirm that there will no longer be a Norway pavilion because it will be replaced by Arendelle, that would be one thing. He, in fact, only stated that there will be something done with Frozen in Epcot. For all we know, the princess meals will star Anna and Elsa.
 

WDWFanDave

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You make it sound like one of them is confirming the other when that's not the case, at all. If 'spirit' were to pop in and confirm that there will no longer be a Norway pavilion because it will be replaced by Arendelle, that would be one thing. He, in fact, only stated that there will be something done with Frozen in Epcot. For all we know, the princess meals will star Anna and Elsa.

And that, right there, with the right price tag, could pay for the whole freaking thing. Heck, they could add a whole boatload of outdoor tables, make the food even worse, and still increase the price (and make it prepay only with no refunds) and if Anna & Elsa were there I predict it would be sold out constantly.
 

GoofGoof

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You make it sound like one of them is confirming the other when that's not the case, at all. If 'spirit' were to pop in and confirm that there will no longer be a Norway pavilion because it will be replaced by Arendelle, that would be one thing. He, in fact, only stated that there will be something done with Frozen in Epcot. For all we know, the princess meals will star Anna and Elsa.
True. All I'm saying is this appears to have moved beyond just armchair imagineering into something actually being planned. I have no doubt the meal thing will happen either way. That seems like a huge pile of cash just waiting to be scooped up.
 

EricJ

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True. All I'm saying is this appears to have moved beyond just armchair imagineering into something actually being planned. I have no doubt the meal thing will happen either way. That seems like a huge pile of cash just waiting to be scooped up.

No, it's moved beyond Armchair Imagineering into Armchair Imagineering Unquestioningly Accepted For Fact.
Like, when Screamscape posted an Emporium window display of alien Stitch and said "Aha, see, actual concept/construction proof, they ARE building Stitch's Great Escape!", months before the idea occurred to Disney--When we have to actually alter company reality because it doesn't quite connect with the imaginary scenarios we've built for ourselves trying to "outthink" them, that's...um....getting into really weird areas. o_O
I'd call it "lying", but technically, who are we lying to, ourselves? And if so, why do we so dearly love to hear it, if we're afraid of it so? To the point that it's considered "heretical" or "troublemaking" to post the idea that, whew, we can all relax, and the Terrible Thing might not really be happening after all?: "How dare you not be afraid of our greedy despicable overlords, and not seeing their vile plots like the rest of us! You're probably on their side, defending them!"

(And to the poster we all know who says he "heard" it was a fact but is still forthcoming with tangible proof--
Well, it might be to your benefit to start putting some cards on the table, because while your rumors may be worth considering, at the moment, in legal terms, they're still technically considered "Hearsay".
And while I haven't been to law school beyond watching a few episodes of Law & Order, do you know what the value of Hearsay evidence is as the burden of proof in a trial?...NONE! ZERO! ZILCH! :) The jury is usually instructed by the judge not to consider it as part of the evidence.
The advantage they have, however, is that they only have to be instructed once. Would that our forum could be so blessed.)
 
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dadddio

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True. All I'm saying is this appears to have moved beyond just armchair imagineering into something actually being planned. I have no doubt the meal thing will happen either way. That seems like a huge pile of cash just waiting to be scooped up.
I don't know about that. It's not like they are having trouble getting people to come to the current princess meals.
 

Captain Chaos

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Yeah, this it totally ridiculous. Turning Norway into Arendelle would be like turning Cinderella's Castle into a giant birthday cake, or blocking the view of the Chinese Theater with a giant Sorcerer Mickey hat. Never going to happen.
You forgot: tossing TP on it to celebrate ruining Alien Encounter with that monstrosity Stitch... No, Disney would NEVER do something that idiotic now, would they???
 

GoofGoof

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No, it's moved beyond Armchair Imagineering into Armchair Imagineering Unquestionably Accepted For Fact.
Like, when Screamscape posted an Emporium window display of alien Stitch and said "Aha, see, actual concept/construction proof, they ARE building Stitch's Great Escape!", months before the idea occurred to Disney--When we have to actually alter company reality because it doesn't quite connect with the imaginary scenarios we've built for ourselves trying to "outthink" them, that's...um....getting into really weird areas. o_O
I'd call it "lying", but technically, who are we lying to, ourselves? And if so, why do we so dearly love to hear it, if we're afraid of it so?

(And to the poster we all know who says he "heard" it was a fact but is still forthcoming with tangible proof--
Well, it would be to your benefit to start putting some cards on the table, because while your rumors may be worth considering, at the moment, in legal terms, they're still technically considered "Hearsay".
And while I haven't been to law school beyond watching a few episodes of Law & Order, do you know what the value of Hearsay evidence is as the burden of proof in a trial?...NONE! ZERO! ZILCH! :) The jury is usually instructed by the judge not to consider it as part of the evidence.
The advantage they have, however, is that they only have to be instructed once. Would that our forum could be so blessed.)
:banghead::banghead::banghead:Not sure why I'm bothering, but I'll try one more time.

So you are certain that this other poster just made this up and has no actual inside information. I'll ask again, how do you know he is a fraud? Since you aren't going to answer that then at least tell us how you know that Disney isn't considering this project? Who are your inside sources or if you don't want to disclose that at least what's your connection to WDW? If you are asking us to blindly accept that WDW1974 and Pheneix are just making this stuff up then give us some reason to believe you. Both have been here a lot longer than you (or maybe this isn't your first user name:confused:)
 

Captain Chaos

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I'm losing all hope....
(In humanity in general and parts of the Disney fan community specifically.)

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Losing? I lost hope with Disney fan community long time ago...
 

GoofGoof

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I don't know about that. It's not like they are having trouble getting people to come to the current princess meals.

They do well, but based on 5 hour waits for the meet and greet Frozen would do unbelievably well. Cindy's Table books 6 months in advance and is always sold out, but I can go on the site right now and book Akershus for either breakfast or dinner tomorrow. Frozen would book like Cindy but would be in a much larger location.
 

MarkTwain

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I'd like to assemble a longer post on this, but the first thought that struck me was... does Disney really think a lightly-rethemed Maelstrom is going to satisfy guests' expectations for a Frozen attraction? I imagine any announcements for a Frozen attraction will create a national media frenzy, and knowing the way the media plays in Disney's favor, will likely play up the Frozen character concept art and downplay the "retheme of an existing attraction" part. So when millions of guests book trips to WDW as a result and wait possibly hours for a 2-minute long rethemed 1980s boat ride, possibly done very cheaply with some screens and basic animatronics, what are those guests going to think? How will that impact WDW's reputation?
 

GoofGoof

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I'd like to assemble a longer post on this, but the first thought that struck me was... does Disney really think a lightly-rethemed Maelstrom is going to satisfy guests' expectations for a Frozen attraction? I imagine any announcements for a Frozen attraction will create a national media frenzy, and knowing the way the media plays in Disney's favor, will likely play up the Frozen character concept art and downplay the "retheme of an existing attraction" part. So when millions of guests book trips to WDW as a result and wait possibly hours for a 2-minute long rethemed 1980s boat ride, possibly done very cheaply with some screens and basic animatronics, what are those guests going to think? How will that impact WDW's reputation?
Frozen deserves more. So does Norway.
 

Next Big Thing

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Yeah, this it totally ridiculous. Turning Norway into Arendelle would be like turning Cinderella's Castle into a giant birthday cake, or blocking the view of the Chinese Theater with a giant Sorcerer Mickey hat. Never going to happen.
To be fair, all of the stupid stuff like that happened under Eisner.
 
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