Frozen ride replacing Maelstrom?

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TestTrack Dummy

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pennyblue said:
Not to re-hash what might have already been said, but I thought I would bring up a perspective that I don't know if anyone has considered. I am a teen-aged girl who has been to Disney World fairly regularly since I was two. Honestly, "cartooning" the WS rides isn't bad in my opinion. I know that, for me as a child, Disney World wasn't about learning about the culture of other countries (or learning in general), and the recognizable characters made me pay more attention to the rides. It may not be the same nostalgia factor as it used to be (I wouldn't know...), but EPCOT certainly doesn't appear to me as selling out, which is what I have seen a lot of comments about. Ultimately, the Disney franchise as a whole is about the kids, and having relatable characters, cartoon or not, makes it more interesting for them.

I am Frozen-obsessed and believe it could make an amazing ride. However, I don't think that there would be enough space for it where the maelstrom ride is, nor should such a staple be replaced.
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I'm 19 years old and have also been visiting WDW since I was very young as well. I didn't get to experience Horizons, World of Motion, and the original Imagination. Despite the fact that I basically never experienced old Epcot, I cringe at the thought of all these characters invading the attractions with the exception of Figment. I would love to go back in time just for a day so I could experience the amazing attractions of old Future World. Thankfully videos like the ones Martin makes help fill that hole. Disney World was never about characters for me as a child. Sure I loved to see Mickey and the gang, but they aren't what I enjoyed the most. I enjoyed getting transported to different worlds that I couldn't find in a Disney movie or cartoon. In the case of Epcot this immersion didn't feel to me like I was learning, even though I was. Including characters would diminish the immersion that I feel in the the World Showcase and the whole park in general. The inclusion of the three caballeros in Mexico is a perfect example, Gran Fiesta Tour is more distracting than it is immersive. The fact that we have grown up in a different era of Disney doesn't mean they should add characters everywhere to make the attractions appealing. They need to raise the bar and capture our imagination like they did with generations past, not shove characters where they don't belong. With that said, I do love Frozen, but not in Epcot.
 
SirNim

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TestTrack Dummy said:
Thankfully videos like the ones Martin makes help fill that hole. Disney World was never about characters for me as a child. Sure I loved to see Mickey and the gang, but they aren't what I enjoyed the most. I enjoyed getting transported to different worlds that I couldn't find in a Disney movie or cartoon. In the case of Epcot this immersion didn't feel to me like I was learning, even though I was. Including characters would diminish the immersion that I feel in the the World Showcase and the whole park in general. The inclusion of the three caballeros in Mexico is a perfect example, Gran Fiesta Tour is more distracting than it is immersive. The fact that we have grown up in a different era of Disney doesn't mean they should add characters everywhere to make the attractions appealing. They need to raise the bar and capture our imagination like they did with generations past, not shove characters where they don't belong. With that said, I do love Frozen, but not in Epcot.
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Nice post. Definitely feel the same about "why" I enjoyed WDW, and Epcot in particular. Think about the most mundane experience children have on a day-to-day basis. What is it? What's the one experience that binds all children together daily? It's not Disney movies or characters. It's school. Let's say, elementary school. Science. Math. Language (arts). P.E. class. Epcot essentially was designed as a big, oversized, magical elementary school, but instead of text books or the occasional VHS copy of "Donald in Mathmagic Land" or any other documentary, the "classes" were centered around immersive and completely breathtaking four-dimensional (three spatial dimensions + time) attractions. Epcot made the mundane magical. When a child's entire day-to-day existence centers around topics and themes relating to biology, geography, language, math, history, and and the various hard (and soft) sciences, a trip to Epcot should spark every neuron in the brain: "Hey! We learned about this last week!" or "I remember Ms. Wilson taught us about the Phoenicians last year!" or "Mom, did you know acceleration is the rate of change of velocity?" (as the child and her parents exit World of Motion, or even Test Track).

Why do I get the feeling a park like EPCOT Center (used to be) would do wonderfully today in a place like Shanghai (or Tokyo) (or Hong Kong)?

Forget WestCOT. How about EastCOT?
 
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jdmdisney99

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SirNim said:
Nice post. Definitely feel the same about "why" I enjoyed WDW, and Epcot in particular. Think about the most mundane experience children have on a day-to-day basis. What is it? What's the one experience that binds all children together daily? It's not Disney movies or characters. It's school. Let's say, elementary school. Science. Math. Language (arts). P.E. class. Epcot essentially was designed as a big, oversized, magical elementary school, but instead of text books or the occasional VHS copy of "Donald in Mathmagic Land" or any other documentary, the "classes" were centered around immersive and completely breathtaking four-dimensional (three spatial dimensions + time) attractions. Epcot made the mundane magical. When a child's entire day-to-day existence centers around topics and themes relating to biology, geography, language, math, history, and and the various hard (and soft) sciences, a trip to Epcot should spark every neuron in the brain: "Hey! We learned about this last week!" or "I remember Ms. Wilson taught us about the Phoenicians last year!" or "Mom, did you know acceleration is the rate of change of velocity?" (as the child and her parents exit World of Motion, or even Test Track).

Why do I get the feeling a park like EPCOT Center (used to be) would do wonderfully today in a place like Shanghai (or Tokyo) (or Hong Kong)?

Forget WestCOT. How about EastCOT?
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Hey, I heard they've been considering it for Shanghai phase 2, so fingers crossed it will be similar to the original.
 
unkadug

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Matt_Black said:
They should do an exact recreation of Epcot, except that it's staffed entirely by simians. They can call it...

ApeReCOT.

... I'll get me coat.
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Sped2424

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luv said:
Why run Maelstrom when you could spend money re-doing Wonders of Life?

It just doesn't make any sense to me at all...so they'll probably do it.
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Wonders of life will get its second coming so long as Pixar's inside out is a success. Sadly that's the only way I see them bringing that pavilion back.
 
71jason

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Nothing to do with Maelstrom, but word from a decent source is that Elsa (and probably Anna, tho that isn't as clear) will soon be the third princess in Fantasyland's Fairy Tale Hall, joining Cindy/Rapunzel.
 
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