Soarin' Over Pgh
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I sometimes wonder how this Forum would act if Disney did what they did with Disneyland and open a brand new park with only one working ride.
They would still have a fast pass plus selection on it
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Frozen ride replacing Maelstrom?
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They would still have a fast pass plus selection on it
MonorailLover
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Never said it did, I agree, WDW needs it right now, but now that I think of it, if they make a new ride, they might need to change star tours, take out that planet?
pennyblue
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Not to re-hash what might have already been said, but I thought I would bring up a perspective that I don't know if anyone has considered. I am a teen-aged girl who has been to Disney World fairly regularly since I was two. Honestly, "cartooning" the WS rides isn't bad in my opinion. I know that, for me as a child, Disney World wasn't about learning about the culture of other countries (or learning in general), and the recognizable characters made me pay more attention to the rides. It may not be the same nostalgia factor as it used to be (I wouldn't know...), but EPCOT certainly doesn't appear to me as selling out, which is what I have seen a lot of comments about. Ultimately, the Disney franchise as a whole is about the kids, and having relatable characters, cartoon or not, makes it more interesting for them.
I am Frozen-obsessed and believe it could make an amazing ride. However, I don't think that there would be enough space for it where the maelstrom ride is, nor should such a staple be replaced.
I am Frozen-obsessed and believe it could make an amazing ride. However, I don't think that there would be enough space for it where the maelstrom ride is, nor should such a staple be replaced.
tirian
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No offense, but Disney was never solely "about the kids" until the last 6 or 8 years. WDW was always intended for all ages; Epcot, the Studios, and arguably DAK were built more for adults; and the only part of the MK that was specifically built to appeal to children was Fantasyland.
One of Walt's most famous quotes is "If you aim for kids, you're dead." He made movies—and a theme park—suitable for the whole family, not for children ("Night on Bald Mountain").
Matt_Black
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Disney is for the young and the young at heart!
tirian
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"Young at heart" doesn't mean "insipid toddlers."
And fwiw, I LOVE animation. I've got Mickey all over my house. But I'm also not going to ignore the wonders of real world culture, wonders that are far beyond cartoons.
Matt_Black
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It's not like Walt never used cartoons to illustrate the wonders of real world locations...
lazyboy97o
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Learning was a clear component of Disney parks since the opening of Disneyland that was even more central to the EPCOT Center and Disney's Animal Kingdom.
aladdin2007
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I wouldnt consider an overlay redressing to be a brand new attraction, but sounds like thats the best were going to ever get at epcot anymore. It needs to go in the space next door instead, the pavilion cant even handle the crowds for a meetngreet as it is.
NoChesterHester
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Disregarding all the other debate there is a lot of truth to that statement.
The Norway Pavilion gets over run easily and already can't handle the insanity of the Princess dining hall with the meet and greet. The popularity of Frozen is probably here to stay so if they do put in a Frozen attraction it will be the worst bottleneck in Epcot.
jdmdisney99
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I'm sorry but this post just represents the unfortunate mindset that Disney has come to accept, and that society has pressured. As someone said, the goal of Disney (before, say, 2005) wasn't to make everything 'all about the kids'. It was about entertainment. No where in any definition of entertainment does it say, 'to cater to children'. The goal was to bring families together, so that the adults could have fun with hints of humor and impressive concepts and displays, and children could be entertained with the grand places with cool new things they'd never seen before. Only in the past decade really, has it become a system where parents have fun by seeing their children have fun. And that's wrong. It's great to see your kids have fun, but you should have fun too. But society has changed.
This sort of leads into another point. For very unfortunate reasons, humankind has lost its sophistication. Back when places like Epcot were built, adults AND children could be entertained by intellectual rides that inspired feelings and made you think. Today, people just want to run as fast as they can from ride to ride,spotting their favorite characters. You don't need characters to entertain. With knowledge and creativity, rides can be created to bring society back: to stop staring at digital devices; to stop and think; to sit and smell the roses. However, that way seems to have been lost at WDI and in society. Epcot could be a true cultural phenomenon, letting man's bright spots shine through; but current Disney doesn't see that. All they see is a society where they can stick in characters that barely relate to a culture and they know people will hand over their wallets. They have dollar signs in their eyes, while Walt had that twinkle that represented a utopian society that could and should be displayed at Epcot.
tirian
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I can't think of a single incident where he did. The True Life Adventures series certainly doesn't use cartoon characters, and "The Three Caballeros" was a propaganda film to improve our relationships with South and Central Americas during WWII.
Nothing's wrong with cartoons; modern fans just need to break out of the well-intentioned but wrong mindset that Classic Disney was nothing but animation.
Even the famous "All Started by a Mouse" quote is often taken out of context to justify poor quality M&Gs and events.
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jdmdisney99
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Yeah. That whole quote has blown way out of proportion. Just because it was started by a mouse doesn't mean you need to include said mouse in everything your company does, correlate to it in anything your company does. Don't get me wrong, I love Mickey...but I don't appreciate his transformation into a corporate symbol lacking any real animations from the mid-'90s til the new Flash shorts/Get A Horse. Poor old Mick is a work horse who has been worked to death.
Funmeister's Delight
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Girl its about people of all ages, not just kids. Epcot wasn't about a showcase for Disney characters. I realize you are young but you obviously have no idea what Epcot was supposed to be because you missed the boat on the era. I am for a Frozen attraction in Norway however because the film captures the culture and country perfectly.
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