Frozen ride replacing Maelstrom?

[flyerjab]

Thanks

When this thread first started in January I dismissed it as unlikely and probably just a rumor. I think maybe it started with a pod cast involving Jim Hill or something like that. Then when Spirit offered his teaser and Pheneix posted in this thread a few days ago it started to seem like more than just a wild rumor. I've been around here long enough to know that there are no guarantees this does happen, but the rumor has some legs now.

Tom Fitzgerald is the WDI guy you are talking about. It seems like maybe he was brought in to do more than just ride out his last few years at WDI until retirement. The rat ride rumor is still out there (a ride he worked on in Paris) and the extra theater and refreshed movie for Soarin seem to be a done deal. My gut says they may not have the budget to do rat ride and Frozen plus the upgrade to Soarin. Your guess is as good as mine on Imagination. I haven't heard anything about it. If we are "tooning" up the place there was an old rumor about Phineas and Ferb taking over the Imagination pavilion including a new 3D movie and a meet and greet location. That one is still in the category of "wild rumor", I think. Unlike Maelstrom which was a solid ride to begin with, almost anything they do to Imagination would be an improvement (short of shuttering it forever).

What is funny to me is that I hear more rumors (lately) pertaining to WS as opposed to FW (aside from the Soarin' refurb which has the potential to be awesome). Now that I have learned more about EPCOT, weaving in and out of these forums, I have watched youtube videos of Imagination, Horizons, BodyWars, etc., and now see how amazing FW was in its heyday. It is a shame that the original intent and vision of EPCOT FW cannot be recaptured in some fashion. I still think WDW would be crazy to not use Neil Degrasse Tyson in some manner for a Space Pavilion in FW. I also proposed at one point that WDW should capitalize even further with their relationship with Cameron in terms of redoing the Living Seas. Not anything Titanic related of course, but he is pioneering in terms of deep water exploration. I could only imagine what he could help WDI come up with in regards to a ride dedicated to exploring the deepest depths of the Earth's oceans. WDW seems destined to lean on their animation studios to help this park. I think that they need to think bigger, and reach out to bigger names that are known, but are not just a face. People like Tyson and even Cameron are passionate people and could really help move FW in a truly 'future' direction.

One final point. You mentioned Phineas and Ferb taking over the Imagination Pavilion. I remember that rumor now that you mentioned it. Makes me wonder if that P&F interactive game in EPCOT was some sort of activity used to gauge interest in those characters and if there was a place for them in EPCOT...I hope not.

 

[GoofGoof]

My point with my post was I just find this discussion (and the sister one for the Ratatouille rumor) and people's outrage over losing the "Epcot of Old" to be a bit over the top. A Frozen overlay of Maelstrom would undoubtedly be popular, have wait times dramatically higher than Maelstrom and increase Epcot attendance dramatically. Isn't that the point of any new or updated attraction to a theme park?

Of course it's over the top. We are full grown adults posting on a Disney parks fan forum. When people are passionate about a topic a little over the top is to be expected. The things we talk about as issues are rarely noticed by the general public. WDW is heavy with nostalgia so any time they remove something that was part of people's happy memories they are not going to be happy about it. Remember the outrage over the Starbucks on Main Street?

I have no doubt that a Frozen replacement of Maelstrom and/or Rat Ride will draw big crowds and be wildly popular. I'm sure I'll have a FP+ for both on my first trip after they open and I'm hoping if they get built that the rides are really well done. If Rat is a clone of the Paris version it will have the trackless ride system which will be a first at WDW. I'm looking forward to that.

With all that being said, I would still prefer both attractions in DHS (a park desperate for more rides). I like WS as it is with a focus on the cultures of the host countries.

 

[Captain Chaos]

Just look at it. It's Norway. There are thousand-foot deep fjords. The highest point in Denmark is 171m. Sweden has mountains but they're mostly far from the sea. Other places in the world with fjords, such as Alaska, Chile, and New Zealand, do not make sense culturally. Iceland could possibly make sense.

In the Lion King, do they ever actually say it takes place in Africa? Come on.

Look up the meaning of INSPIRED BY and TAKES PLACE IN... They mean two different things... Just because they used the landscaping of Norway (landscape of Frozen INSPIRED BY Norway's landscape) does not mean the movie TAKES PLACE IN... Since they used Canada and Wyoming for inspiration for Frozen, then we can say the movie took place there too...

It's not in Norway, people need to get over it.

 

[morningstar]

To say nothing of the fact that Norwegian is sung in the film. You would logically hear the Norwegian language in Norway as opposed to, say, Australia.

What Norwegian is sung? Is that what the "na-na-na hey-ya na" during the opening titles is? I understand a little Norwegian and that doesn't sound like Norwegian.

 

[xdan0920]

Of course it's over the top. We are full grown adults posting on a Disney parks fan forum. When people are passionate about a topic a little over the top is to be expected. The things we talk about as issues are rarely noticed by the general public. WDW is heavy with nostalgia so any time they remove something that was part of people's happy memories they are not going to be happy about it. Remember the outrage over the Starbucks on Main Street?

I have no doubt that a Frozen replacement of Maelstrom and/or Rat Ride will draw big crowds and be wildly popular. I'm sure I'll have a FP+ for both on my first trip after they open and I'm hoping if they get built that the rides are really well done. If Rat is a clone of the Paris version it will have the trackless ride system which will be a first at WDW. I'm looking forward to that.

With all that being said, I would still prefer both attractions in DHS (a park desperate for more rides). I like WS as it is with a focus on the cultures of the host countries.

Speak for yourself forum buddy. I am, at best, a half grown adult. I wore Mickey Mouse t-shirts twice this week, in public, and not Disney owned public space either.

 

[Captain Chaos]

Do you have a teaching certificate or PhD? If not, don't presume to "educate" me. You're entitled to your opinion, but it's just that.

Feel free if you need to to post the same argument over again as you have two or three times before. I won't respond again.

I will continue to try to educate the uneducated who don't seem to know the difference between INSPIRED BY and TAKES PLACE IN.. Sometimes, to the clueless, you need to repeat it several times before it sticks...

Repeat after me: INSPIRED BY does not mean TAKES PLACE IN... INSPIRED BY does not mean TAKES PLACES IN... INSPIRED BY does not mean TAKES PLACE IN..

Frozen's landscape was INSPIRED BY Norway, does not mean IT TAKES PLACE IN Norway... Just like the way the animators expressed the "cold weather" was INSPIRED BY winter in Wyoming... Or the way the sun shine reflected on the ice was inspired by Quebec, Canada...

Get it? Got it? Good...

 

[DinoInstitute]

I leave this thread for 1 DAY and this is what it has become....

 

[marni1971]

What IS going on here?

New kids forget to wipe their feet?

Mods everywhere? Personal attacks?

Painful.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Even if the film was definitely set in Norway, that wouldn't make it a Norwegian film.

I also am getting a headache from the evolution - or de-evolution (Star Trek Next Gen reference for you trekkers out there) - of this particular thread. That being said, the only thing I am trying to find out is if this is still only a rumor or if we are beyond that point. Meaning, it is 'official' that a Frozen something is 'definitely' happening to the Norway Pavilion...we just do not know what specifically.

With Disney nothing is official until it opens.

 

[aladdin2007]

What Norwegian is sung? Is that what the "na-na-na hey-ya na" during the opening titles is? I understand a little Norwegian and that doesn't sound like Norwegian.

I agree and same way here. I didn't think it sounded Norwegian either, I think they were going for more of a Sami sound, but to me it sounded like Pocahontas was coming back lol. For a more Norwegian feel they could have used the hardanger fiddle etc. Sissel would have been great also if she had done some singing in it.

 

[Kman101]

It seemed fitting And that phrase around here is now likely always going to refer to that song.

 

[Cesar R M]

I think that most people know the difference between going to Wyoming & Quebec to study snow and ice and actually putting Norway in the movie. Just because they didn't take trips additional trips to Norway beyond the ones they did take doesn't change the fact that what you see in the movie is Norway.

you're still missing the point.. but no surprise as you have been doing the same since day 1.

to make it as simple as possible.

IF something as the following..:

• Invented/Inexistent Land.
• Does rely heavily on references, but do not have them directly.
• As places not featured in the real world.
• Has some real places or famous buildings, but not as they are in real life.
• It is not a real story or part of the history of the place.

It means is "INSPIRED BY".


IF the movie as the following:

• Follows real places, real cartography.
• Real towns with semi realistic placement structure.
• Almost all places featured are in the real world.
• cohesive placement, direction, story based on a place.
• Uses real places, famous buildings as they are in real life.

then it means is "BASED ON" or "TAKES PLACE IN".

one is a make believe and is invented.. aka fantasy, the other is using real things to make the story believable.

And... after who knows how many pages, you're swill taking swipes at @pheneix . Please, let it go.. we know you will never believe any leaker in here.. better just stop ruining the thread for us (who want to read rumors and not bicker 24/7 ) and go visit other places in the forum.
No seriously.. leave. It almost feels like your life depends on trying to change people's opinions to fit your own standards.

What IS going on here?

New kids forget to wipe their feet?

Mods everywhere? Personal attacks?

Painful.

just history repeating itself.. some people never change.

 

[morningstar]

Pocahontas takes place in the tidewater region of Virginia.

If you have been there, there are no waterfalls plunging straight down a hundred feet.

Creative license. Doesn't mean it doesn't take place there.

 

[Captain Chaos]

Pocahontas takes place in the tidewater region of Virginia.

If you have been there, there are no waterfalls plunging straight down a hundred feet.

Creative license. Doesn't mean it doesn't take place there.

You really are having a hard time grasping the concept of INSPIRED BY and TAKES PLACE IN, aren't you? Looks like education needs to be dropped again..

Virginia: real place, actually exists... So, Disney took some creative licensing with how 17th century Virginia may have looked... Doesn't change the fact that Virgina actually exists... The animators didn't create a 17th century village/state/location and then used Virginia as inspiration... Real life Virginia IS the setting, therefore Pocahontas TAKES PLACE IN real life Virginia.. Oh and they also mention Virginia in the movie, so that kind of gives it away where the movie takes place...

Arendelle: made up, does not exist... Find it on the map.. Can't? Because it isn't real... Not once in the movie do they refer to Arendelle being in Norway... Not once... Arendelle is made up, fictional... Just because animators used Norway's landscape as inspiration does not mean Arendelle is in Norway... There in lies the difference... INSPIRATION does not equal TAKES PLACE IN...

I'm creating a town, maybe a country... I'm calling it Los Locos... Hmm, i think I'll use Mexico as inspiration as to what Los Locos will look like, from the landscape to coastlines... Everything... Not once do I refer in my movie or story to Los Locos being located in Mexico... Name of the country ir kingdom or whatever is just Los Locos... Does that mean Los Locos is automatically located in Mexico? Even though I used ti as inspiration? Had my characters dress similar? Nope... Doesn't mean that at all...

Has it sunk in yet?

 

[Mike S]

Pocahontas takes place in the tidewater region of Virginia.

If you have been there, there are no waterfalls plunging straight down a hundred feet.

Creative license. Doesn't mean it doesn't take place there.

 

[Cesar R M]

reposting due of being relevant.

 

[mikeymouse]

It's a bit of a mess in here. To summarize: The rumor Pheneix dropped was that there was an original plan to re-theme the entire pavilion, but the budget was cut and now it looks like it's just a re-theming of Maelstrom into a Frozen ride. Several people in the thread have chimed in that they have heard that the ride will be re-themed to Frozen as well. WDW1974 popped in on a different thread and mentioned a Frozen presence is coming to EPCOT. Details to follow when he gets back.

I'm with you, it's not likely they would change the pavilion to Arendelle. Not sure if it's a turd yet, but it certainly stinks to me.

Budget cuts? Never.

 

[pheneix]

What IS going on here?

New kids forget to wipe their feet?

Mods everywhere? Personal attacks?

Painful.

All I know is that the movie "Frozen" is going to literally be the dividing line between the inevitable war between Eurasia and Eastasia.

Poor Oceania. They are a Despicable Me superpower. It will get nuked by Eurasia and Eastasia just for getting in their way so they can get back to fighting over Frozen again.

 

[GoofGoof]

has anyone seen OP ryan1 since this began? LOL

Started this whole mess 6 months ago and then ran like hell. Of course he may have started a small brush fire, but Pheneix threw the gasoline on it and it exploded into an inferno Great for popping popcorn and watching it go.

 

[acishere]

All I know is that the movie "Frozen" is going to literally be the dividing line between the inevitable war between Eurasia and Eastasia.

Poor Oceania. They are a Despicable Me superpower. It will get nuked by Eurasia and Eastasia just for getting in their way so they can get back to fighting over Frozen again.

O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two Aquavit-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Frozen.