Frozen ride replacing Maelstrom?

[Tod&BigMamaOdie]

A Frozen themed boat ride...
If they stayed true to the movie, the boat would not move as the water (fjord) is, well, frozen.

 

[pheneix]

Imagineers are generally well respected as a talented group who can deliver a quality, properly themed & detailed, and well-executed attraction experience when they have the budget and creative freedom to do so.

I urge you to question that statement and question it often. The mob mentality of crapping on park executives while pretending that Imagineers are the eternal "good guys" has allowed many terrible things to happen.

This isn't a commentary on fans. This is commentary on the culture that John Lasetter/Bruce Vaughn/etc. has allowed to THRIVE while they save their own by throwing colleagues elsewhere under the bus rather than taking responsibility for their failures. When corporate orthodoxy protects an entire division as something "sacred" that's never a good sign. When the same company is throwing piles of money at same division while not holding it accountable in the slightest because a fall guy is always conveniently found elsewhere, that's an even worse sign.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I don't see how the imagineers have much to do with the poor way the parks are maintained though.

Through design. Certain design choices are going to be more maintenance intensive than others.

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

Through design. Certain design choices are going to be more maintenance intensive than others.

The same rides at other parks are properly maintained though. Such as how OLC has no issue keeping their parks in absolutely pristine condition. And even how Disneyland was leaps and bounds above WDW for the past 7+ years (and still arguably is even with the Colglazier touch, though that is said to be changing for the worse now gradually). It was only starting in the mid 90's under Eisner's budget cuts (and cleaning house of the few left remaining from the old guard) did WDW begin to start its deterioration.

 

[pheneix]

I don't see how the imagineers have much to do with the poor way the parks are maintained though. There could well be major problems in creative, but i've still seen them do some good jobs with Disneyland and oversees projects (Cars Land and Mystic Manor are really cool as far as i'm concerned) when they're allowed to and don't have their budgets completely mutilated, so i'm not sure what the problem with WDW is. Lee has also shown how much better the Mine Train could have been had executives not sliced into its budget so intensely (and even then it turned out somewhat better than we worried thanks to the new AA figures).

There are clearly other serious issues within besides just WDI. Even if they too are an issue.

No doubt. But sparing WDI from the same scrutiny that is delivered on to the operations side of the business is a mistake. If you don't trust a WDW executive at face value anymore, by default you shouldn't trust an Imagineer either. Ask the same questions. You'll be amazed by what you find.

 

[Nemo14]

Not to change the subject, but wouldn't it make sense that Disney incorporate the Frozen charaacters into the DreamLights show for the holidays?

 

[lazyboy97o]

The same rides at other parks are properly maintained though. Such as how OLC has no issue keeping their parks in absolutely pristine condition. And even how Disneyland was leaps and bounds above WDW for the past 7+ years (and still arguably is even with the Colglazier touch, though that is said to be changing for the worse now gradually). It was only starting in the mid 90's under Eisner's budget cuts (and cleaning house of the few left remaining from the old guard) did WDW begin to start its deterioration.

I was trying to say that it is all Walt Disney Imagineering, but they are the ones who make those important first decisions. Even with all things even, different climate and usage could make for differences between the wear on the same materials.

 

[ght]

A Frozen themed boat ride...
If they stayed true to the movie, the boat would not move as the water (fjord) is, well, frozen.

This is my biggest concern. It is more of a "Let's find a place to stick Frozen" move regardless of whether the ride itself make sense or not. I am really curious how they plan to work the flume in with what will be happening in the "story" of the ride. I know it is probably nit-picking but riding a boat through a ride based on a movie about everything being Frozen over just seems odd to me.

 

[Tod&BigMamaOdie]

This is my biggest concern. It is more of a "Let's find a place to stick Frozen" move regardless of whether the ride itself make sense or not. I am really curious how they plan to work the flume in with what will be happening in the "story" of the ride. I know it is probably nit-picking but riding a boat through a ride based on a movie about everything being Frozen over just seems odd to me.

I agree with ya; it seems like an impulse move to me.
I made the joke in my previous post with the thought(s) in my head on the cost savings in not having to redress or build anything. The guest loads, sits, the boat doesn't move, and then the CMs ask guests to gather their personal belongings, take your children by the hands and exit to the left... and some would probably wait a long time and love it.
To me at quick thought, any Frozen ride would have to include a sled set-up of some sort. It seems to me that some sort of show attraction utilizing tech could be a good route. I think of what was done with the mirror in Tales with Enchanted Belle (or is that Enchanted Tales with Belle??) and wonder if some awesome effects could be done with the room being frozen around guests and then so forth....
Ride or show attraction, I say please give Frozen the budget and space it deserves (not WS in Epcot IMO), do it proper justice, wow us and it will pay in return for years and years.

ETA: IF done. Also, Stars Wars and more Pixar in Pixar PLACE in DHS please.

 

[lazyboy97o]

This is my biggest concern. It is more of a "Let's find a place to stick Frozen" move regardless of whether the ride itself make sense or not. I am really curious how they plan to work the flume in with what will be happening in the "story" of the ride. I know it is probably nit-picking but riding a boat through a ride based on a movie about everything being Frozen over just seems odd to me.

Our love for Elsa (which is somehow stronger than Anna's) is helping to thaw the fjord!

 

[Animaniac93-98]

This is my biggest concern. It is more of a "Let's find a place to stick Frozen" move regardless of whether the ride itself make sense or not. I am really curious how they plan to work the flume in with what will be happening in the "story" of the ride. I know it is probably nit-picking but riding a boat through a ride based on a movie about everything being Frozen over just seems odd to me.

They'll try to pass off the boats as "sleds" and call it a day. Hey, If these can be called a "sleigh" for 4 months of the year, why not Maelstrom boats?

 

[NobodyElse]

So, is a Frozen ride replacing Maelstrom?

Definitely Maybe.

 

[michael.fumc]

I agree with ya; it seems like an impulse move to me.
I made the joke in my previous post with the thought(s) in my head on the cost savings in not having to redress or build anything. The guest loads, sits, the boat doesn't move, and then the CMs ask guests to gather their personal belongings, take your children by the hands and exit to the left... and some would probably wait a long time and love it.
To me at quick thought, any Frozen ride would have to include a sled set-up of some sort. It seems to me that some sort of show attraction utilizing tech could be a good route. I think of what was done with the mirror in Tales with Enchanted Belle (or is that Enchanted Tales with Belle??) and wonder if some awesome effects could be done with the room being frozen around guests and then so forth....
Ride or show attraction, I say please give Frozen the budget and space it deserves (not WS in Epcot IMO), do it proper justice, wow us and it will pay in return for years and years.

ETA: IF done. Also, Stars Wars and more Pixar in Pixar PLACE in DHS please.

I agree frozen is at least at the level of beauty and the beast, it can't be a quick overlay to do it justice, they need at least what the beast got in NFL

 

[NormC]

I think @NormC was asking a bit of a rhetorical question. If @pheneix, a known member of the community, is a liar for not posting "proof" then so too are yourself, @WDW1974, @marni1971, @tirian et al.

Exactly. None of us are posting official documents here. We all need to give each other a bit of respect.

 

[dadddio]

Exactly. None of us are posting official documents here. We all need to give each other a bit of respect.

That's all well and good, but if someone posts an outlandish claim as something that is definitely going to happen, he can expect people to doubt the accuracy of said claim.

 

[NormC]

That's all well and good, but if someone posts an outlandish claim as something that is definitely going to happen, he can expect people to doubt the accuracy of said claim.

And that is fine until it gets personal. Attack the information if you must but not the messenger. Also if one chooses to attack the info they better be prepared to take the same response themselves. Without actual proof your (not you specifically) claim is just as suspect. See what I am saying? Rumors are rumors. They are not "false" rumors until replaced by facts. The childish retorts by the few get really old and turn people off. It is fun to discuss possibilities and rumors until some troll comes on and takes the fun away.

 

[dadddio]

I agree with everything that you posted. That being said, I feel that it is Important to recognize that there is a difference between rumor and news. If someone posts that TPTB have definitely decided to do some specific thing, than that person is reporting facts, not sharing a rumor.

 

[lazyboy97o]

That's all well and good, but if someone posts an outlandish claim as something that is definitely going to happen, he can expect people to doubt the accuracy of said claim.

Newer posters don't get to dictate who the community respects and trusts.

 

[GoofGoof]

Can we finally just stop this nonsense? @dadddio, anyone who can read knows you didn't believe pheneix's rumor. There is no need to repeat your position over and over again. We get it. You don't believe him. No need to rehash what he said, how many times he doubled down, whatever, nobody cares. If other people do want to believe what he is saying why does that bother you so much? You are not responsible for helping anyone else to make a decision on whether or not to believe a rumor. Just let it go (no pun intended this time).

Let's get back to the discussion about the RUMOR that a Frozen ride is going to replace Maelstrom.

 

[BrianLo]

I have a new idea for a feature on these forums, no ones opinions should be squelched, no matter how many people disagree with them. However, there needs to be a cap on the number of times someone (new posters) can post to a hot topic per day. Seriously, it's exhausting reading someone's opinion for the 20th time in a day. Present your opinion and move on.