Frozen ride replacing Maelstrom?

[marni1971]

Hey, didn't you get the memo? Anything from the Reagan era is automatically superior to anything designed later.

Nah.

Orlandos ToT was designed in the early 90s.

 

[Tod&BigMamaOdie]

Did you miss the ending?

Nah, something about act of true love, thaw, frozen heart. But the majority of the movie is about the conflicts - "Man" vs nature, "man" vs self, "man" vs "man" - with everything being frozen, not the post climax.
Not meaning to debate. No desire. It (my earlier post) really was meant to be a joke.

 

[dadddio]

You really are having a hard time grasping the concept of INSPIRED BY and TAKES PLACE IN, aren't you? Looks like education needs to be dropped again..

Virginia: real place, actually exists... So, Disney took some creative licensing with how 17th century Virginia may have looked... Doesn't change the fact that Virgina actually exists... The animators didn't create a 17th century village/state/location and then used Virginia as inspiration... Real life Virginia IS the setting, therefore Pocahontas TAKES PLACE IN real life Virginia.. Oh and they also mention Virginia in the movie, so that kind of gives it away where the movie takes place...

Arendelle: made up, does not exist... Find it on the map.. Can't? Because it isn't real... Not once in the movie do they refer to Arendelle being in Norway... Not once... Arendelle is made up, fictional... Just because animators used Norway's landscape as inspiration does not mean Arendelle is in Norway... There in lies the difference... INSPIRATION does not equal TAKES PLACE IN...

I'm creating a town, maybe a country... I'm calling it Los Locos... Hmm, i think I'll use Mexico as inspiration as to what Los Locos will look like, from the landscape to coastlines... Everything... Not once do I refer in my movie or story to Los Locos being located in Mexico... Name of the country ir kingdom or whatever is just Los Locos... Does that mean Los Locos is automatically located in Mexico? Even though I used ti as inspiration? Had my characters dress similar? Nope... Doesn't mean that at all...

Has it sunk in yet?

That's a good argument. The only flaw to it at all is the very good possibility that the movie merely took place prior to Norway's creation. After all, a movie about precolonial North America is unlikely to mention the United States, right?

Either way, this is a pointless argument because even if they had specifically stated the year and location in the movie, it was still completely made up. It's fiction. That and the fact that it is a cartoon is going to make many people in this thread believe that it shouldn't be part of the Norway pavilion in World Showcase. Everyone who believes that is valid in their opinion. Similarly, everyone who believes that TPTB should open WS up to these types of attractions are valid in their thinking.

At the end of the day, mgmt is going to do what they feel is best and we will live with it. We may even learn to love it.

 

[orky8]

Nah, something about act of true love, thaw, frozen heart. But the majority of the movie is about the conflicts - "Man" vs nature, "man" vs self, "man" vs "man" - with everything being frozen, not the post climax.
Not meaning to debate. No desire. It (my earlier post) really was meant to be a joke.

Mine too

 

[Matt_Black]

I mentioned this elsewhere, but I read a review from a Norwegian who claimed that if Arendelle represented Norway, then going by the assumed time period based on the clothes depicted, Weselton would be Denmark and the Southern Isles would be Sweden, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[tirian]

I've been much too busy to frequent the boards lately.

Is Frozen coming or isn't it? The proposed project hasn't been green lighted and would definitely feel more like an overlay than a new ride. But most of WDI wasn't happy with the "Three Caballeros" redo at Mexico or with Space Mt, and I can't see that sort of half-job being accepted again.

I realize that I still haven't answered the question.

The answer is that nothing has been decided yet.

EDIT: and two days later, the news breaks that it was decided — we're getting an overlay. I'm still hearing it will be better than the 3 Caballeros, but I'm not happy about it.

Apologists have already been on this subject for a while, there are always going to be nuts who defend garbage like this. There have even been defenders of the value engineering of the Mine Train. They'll no doubt be a lot more of them here shortly if this project is announced anytime soon (if it's being fast tracked for 2015 then i'd expect an announcement before too long).

I enjoyed Frozen to some extent (not as much as the absurd adoration it gets but it was pretty good IMO). But i'm absolutely against this nonsense and am a big Maelstrom fan (despite its brevity). I must ask though @pheneix Is there any chance that this too will be canned alongside the DHS overhaul? I hope against hope it will. It's quite obvious with projects like this among others lately that Disney has degenerated into a creatively bankrupt corporation willing to stoop to the most egregious of money grubbing scams to drive their stocks up for short term investors. I'm often upset that Disney isn't creating any decent new experiences. But lately with projects like this, i'm starting to shift instead to just wanting the parks to stagnate until some new decent leadership can be allowed in. That is an awful mindset to be in to wish for stagnation, but these kinds of projects terrify me infinitely more than an old gem like Maelstrom being left alone without any plussing for years to come (there's nothing even really glaringly wrong with its current form besides its brevity and needing some moderate tech plussing, and if they recycle the same track for Frozen then it won't even fix that flaw). It's preferable to me than allowing these lunatics running the company to systematically mutilate what scarce little good remains of a once wonderful and magical place (yes magic that didn't require any kiddie toons or money grubbing boozer scams). If the only change to the parks means having to endure garbage like this, I'd rather just run the clock out until the next leadership change. Even if it is just sheer desperate hope that SOMEONE better is appointed that could start a massive restructuring and cleanup of the company and the parks (though if Rasulo ends up taking over then we and the company as a whole are truly and completely ****ed).

I say this honestly- I've never been to Universal and don't have any idea whether i'll enjoy it, but I intend to rectify my absence as soon as possible (sounds like it's one hell of a time to be a fan of them). But one thing I will definitely say is that whether I do like it or not, I hope WDW starts to suffer financially from their neighbors in a huge way. I want Universal to keep pushing for quality and stealing Disney's old quality-driven fanbase. Disney executives truly do deserve it for the mess they've caused and the wonderful legacy they've kicked through the mud and potentially ruined forevermore. I was a lifelong WDW fan having grown up with it in its heyday. It's ironic that it was Universal who got the rights to Harry Potter and yet Disney World is the one that is systematically having its soul ripped into pieces (hint hint Potter reference for fans).

According to some users in another topic, Tom Fitzgerald was supposed to have been appointed to head a renovation of EPCOT, allegedly because he and many within the company wanted to improve the park and restore some of its former glory. Projects like this (the double whammy of an inappropriate movie overlay along with it being a value engineered one to boot) point towards the exact opposite occurring. I'm a bit curious as to what @tirian and @articos have to say about this... If this project is any indication of what to expect out of EPCOT's future, WDW1974 and Lee were absolutely spot on in not trusting anything Fitzgerald had a hand in (though really there was already substantial evidence not to trust Fitzgerald well before we were told).


What lazyboy said along with there being no doubt that bean counters looked at this and came to the conclusion that repurposing a pre-existing show building and ride base is cheaper than building an attraction from scratch in MK or HS. From what pheneix said it sounds like they've value engineered the absolute crap out of the proposed project and plan to reuse the same track layout and shoehorn the changes in as inexpensively and quickly as possible. They'd have to do this if they actually want to have this done next year (Disney is too slow to build even the simplest new ride from scratch in such a short time frame, even bathrooms or a dedicated princess meet and greet).

 

[danlb_2000]

I've been much too busy to frequent the boards lately.

Is Frozen coming or isn't it? The proposed project hasn't been green lighted and would definitely feel more like an overlay than a new ride. But most of WDI wasn't happy with the "Three Cabelleros" redo at Mexico or with Space Mt, and I can't see that sort of half-job being accepted again.

I realize that I still haven't answered the question.

The answer is that nothing has been decided yet.

I believe the latest rumors is that all of World Showcase is being re-themed to Arendelle, although I could be wrong.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I mentioned this elsewhere, but I read a review from a Norwegian who claimed that if Arendelle represented Norway, then going by the assumed time period based on the clothes depicted, Weselton would be Denmark and the Southern Isles would be Sweden, if I'm not mistaken.

The language used indicates that Weselton and the Southern Isles are their own independent sovereign states.

Or they could just be made up. That is not a new or radical idea in storytelling.

 

[dadddio]

I believe the latest rumors is that all of World Showcase is being re-themed to Arendelle, although I could be wrong.

Lol

 

[Cody5242]

You can't go anywhere at WDW without hearing Let it Go. They even got Yee Haw Bob singing it...

 

[Mike S]

I've been much too busy to frequent the boards lately.

Is Frozen coming or isn't it? The proposed project hasn't been green lighted and would definitely feel more like an overlay than a new ride. But most of WDI wasn't happy with the "Three Cabelleros" redo at Mexico or with Space Mt, and I can't see that sort of half-job being accepted again.

I realize that I still haven't answered the question.

The answer is that nothing has been decided yet.

So there's still hope this won't happen?!?! Please let that be true, it would be the best Disney news I've heard since this whole crazy thing started

 

[CDavid]

It's fiction. That and the fact that it is a cartoon is going to make many people in this thread believe that it shouldn't be part of the Norway pavilion in World Showcase. Everyone who believes that is valid in their opinion. Similarly, everyone who believes that TPTB should open WS up to these types of attractions are valid in their thinking.

That's a valid opinion, yes, but if we rely solely on opinion with no objective basis to our arguments then any persons viewpoint is equally valid. There are people who hold the opinion that the world is flat, and while they are equally entitled to that view, they are not equally likely to be correct in their assertion. What is more important are the reasons why they believe it; What is the basis for their thinking?

So, on what objective basis do you hold your opinion that the fictional world of Frozen is thematically appropriate for the real-world cultures and nations of World Showcase?

 

[aladdin2007]

I've been much too busy to frequent the boards lately.

Is Frozen coming or isn't it? The proposed project hasn't been green lighted and would definitely feel more like an overlay than a new ride. But most of WDI wasn't happy with the "Three Cabelleros" redo at Mexico or with Space Mt, and I can't see that sort of half-job being accepted again.

I realize that I still haven't answered the question.

The answer is that nothing has been decided yet.

Great post and good that they have not decided, but if they arent happy still with Mexico why dont they go in and fix it,,,oh because TDO wont pay or pass a budget. There is still that rumor that the Three Caballeros animatronics (from the mickey mouse revue) are sitting backstage somewhere waiting to be implemented. I dont know if thats true or not, but its fun to think about lol..........but regarding frozen/maelstrom if the budget was already cut by 40% like pheonixe stated, then they dont have much choice but to do a half job it seems.

 

[bhg469]

You can't go anywhere at WDW without hearing Let it Go. They even got Yee Haw Bob singing it...

They're going to kill it themselves.

 

[Captain Chaos]

Or you could observe our laundromat around 9:00pm on a Thursday evening.

Now that's funny right there cause it is the same by me..

 

[Tod&BigMamaOdie]

Mine too

Sorry, I'm slooooooow.

 

[Cesar R M]

You can't go anywhere at WDW without hearing Let it Go. They even got Yee Haw Bob singing it...

They are continuing the path of the informercial industry.. repeating it again and again and again until its deeply engraved in your skull.
so even if you're distracted and you hate the song.. you will automatically mumble and hum "let it go" like a zombie(bonus if you drool as you sing it). HAH!

 

[Disneyson]

On my past trip, I heard it once at Celebrate the Magic - I heard Part of Your World at least seven times on this trip, ending today - I remember it four times in Magic Kingdom and thrice in the studios. Perhaps we just actively hear it because it's new.

 

[dadddio]

That's a valid opinion, yes, but if we rely solely on opinion with no objective basis to our arguments then any persons viewpoint is equally valid. There are people who hold the opinion that the world is flat, and while they are equally entitled to that view, they are not equally likely to be correct in their assertion. What is more important are the reasons why they believe it; What is the basis for their thinking?

So, on what objective basis do you hold your opinion that the fictional world of Frozen is thematically appropriate for the real-world cultures and nations of World Showcase?

My position is very simple. The movie is heavily inspired by the geography, architecture, and culture of Norway. As such, it's a good fit for the Norway pavilion, in my opinion. You obviously disagree, and that's fine.

 

[dadddio]

Great post and good that they have not decided, but if they arent happy still with Mexico why dont they go in and fix it,,,oh because TDO wont pay or pass a budget. There is still that rumor that the Three Caballeros animatronics (from the mickey mouse revue) are sitting backstage somewhere waiting to be implemented.

I wonder if they shipped those back from TDL.