Frozen Ever After opening day

MinnieM123

MinnieM123

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Goofyernmost said:
We shouldn't be saying what's wrong, when we don't even really know for sure what it is that is causing it and if we did would not have a solid, reasonable solution to the problem. What's that old saying... "If you're not part of the solution, you may just be a part of the problem".
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You're probably correct that (many) forum members don't know what is causing the problem(s) regarding the breakdowns of Frozen Ever After. (I have no knowledge about the mechanics or computer systems of rides.)

However, I think that encouraging discussion among all members (yourself included) is a step in the right direction, even if you think it appears as though the comments aren't going anywhere. My own perception is that most people are sincerely trying to share their ideas and be helpful. And even if they're frustrated now over attraction malfunctions, high ticket prices, etc., I believe they still have an expectation that things could improve.

One final comment before I log off this evening: this is a worldwide forum, and our members have a broad range of skills and abilities. Solutions to problems often come about from a collaboration of ideas, over a period of time.
 
Next Big Thing

Next Big Thing

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So, as I said, I finally got on this earlier (6/29). The stand-by wait was flipping back and forth between 90 and 120 mins while I was there. Thankfully, we had FP+ and only waited *maybe* 10 minutes. The capacity issues were evident as soon as we got to load and they told up only two adults per row. There was only 4 of us, 3 adults, 1 child, and we took up 2 rows of the boat. On a positive note, I asked how they had been doing with breakdowns and they said this had been their most consistent day of operation yet, with very few problems (I rode at about 7:30).

I had a weird set of expectations as mine were in the basement before it opened, but then once people rode it, it was all about how good it was. So I had to find a medium.

Basically, my overall thoughts are:
  • Animatronics are amazing
  • Better than Mermaid
  • There was a few empty spots in the backwards section
  • Lack of coherent story
  • Too short
  • Terrible Capacity
  • Franchise deserves better
  • Creative use of existing space
  • The lift hill was incredibly loud/distracting (would've thought they'd have fixed that). Like Space Mountain level crap.
To be honest, given how everyone was talking so highly of this after it's debut, it actually failed to reach my slightly risen expectations. I waited only 10 minutes so I won't complain though. However, there's no wy i'd wait more than 20-25 minutes for this ride. It simply isn't worth it.

Final Assessment: Great AA's, creative use of the space, but to put it bluntly, I came off of the ride feeling to same way I felt when I came off of Empire of the Penguin... "That's it?".
 
EPCOTCenterLover

EPCOTCenterLover

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Goofyernmost said:
The thing is that by the time the Maelstrom was built categorized attractions no longer exited in a public sense. I made my very first visit to WDW 4 months after Epcot opened. There was no mention of "tickets" or "catagorys". It wasn't until years later when I started to go to Disney Discussion Sites that I even ever heard of it. It might have been built to be a solid "D" but the public didn't know that, so what kept them away?

Please don't fire up the fat people vs. "thin people are perfect" discussion again. People are heavier yes, but, they are not the reason why there is a problem now. They also didn't get heavier overnight. They were heavy two years ago when it was still Maelstrom. I don't recall many complaints about shut downs. Even if they did make a difference, if Disney didn't take advantage of the tear down to retool the ride to account for the change in weight, then lets not blame reality on something that Disney neglected if they didn't attempt to address it. Even if it were just training on placement in the boats.
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Respectfully, I disagree with the first part- unless you're speaking only of Epcot and Maelstrom, and even then I see your point but I'm not sure.

In MK, there are clearly categories in the public mindset, either by history and reputation or by scope and placement of attractions. It's why people rush first to the mountains and Peter Pan first thing at rope drop, but are more likely to put Small World, Jungle Cruise, Haunted Mansion and Pirates at second tier stops. Up until SDMT, no other more recent attractions tend to be first destinations or even second. (Boy that says much about what's been placed and replaced in MK!,,)
 
Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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mandstaft said:
Respectfully, I disagree with the first part- unless you're speaking only of Epcot and Maelstrom, and even then I see your point but I'm not sure.

In MK, there are clearly categories in the public mindset, either by history and reputation or by scope and placement of attractions. It's why people rush first to the mountains and Peter Pan first thing at rope drop, but are more likely to put Small World, Jungle Cruise, Haunted Mansion and Pirates at second tier stops. Up until SDMT, no other more recent attractions tend to be first destinations or even second. (Boy that says much about what's been placed and replaced in MK!,,)
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Exactly, which is what I have been saying all along. Everything is based on popularity, popularity is not based on a random category that the rest of us put on it. MK did have a letter category before Epcot came into the picture, but, if you think about it the vast majority of the guests that currently visit are not aware of any category other then they like it or not. That was 33 years ago. Anyone visiting that is younger then 33 weren't even born yet. Anyone that doesn't follow things like these boards have never heard of it, and if they did, it means nothing to them. We tend to forget that not everyone has the same fixation the we all seem to have. However, if it makes everyone happy to classify something based on what they think should or shouldn't be considered an "E" (and that includes TWDC executives) then far be it from me to be concerned. I've decided to direct my concerns over things that actually matter.
 
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Unomas

Unomas

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We just rode it this week. I've never seen Frozen. We took my 17 month old son who has also never seen Frozen. He was more captivated by this attraction then anything we did all week! And I was really surprised how much I enjoyed it too! I think they did a wonderful job with it. We loved Maelstrom and even wore "maelstrom never forget" t-shirts for the occasion - but we were total converts. Bravo, Disney!
 
chiefs11

chiefs11

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DisneyDebRob said:
I'm really surprised that the meet and greet is only 10-20 minute wait. I was sure that would be unreal wait times also.
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I wonder if, as the popularity wanes, they'll reduce the number of rooms in use from 3 to 2, and maybe eventually 1. If that ever happens it'll be a shame to be using an entire expansion pad for one M&G room. :(
 
Princess Leia

Princess Leia

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chiefs11 said:
I wonder if, as the popularity wanes, they'll reduce the number of rooms in use from 3 to 2, and maybe eventually 1. If that ever happens it'll be a shame to be using an entire expansion pad for one M&G room. :(
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I think they only used the front half of the expansion pad? Maybe?
 
MrPromey

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DisneyDebRob said:
I'm really surprised that the meet and greet is only 10-20 minute wait. I was sure that would be unreal wait times also.
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Hmm... No fast pass plus and the wait times are reasonable? Imagine that!

I was one of the optimistic ones about the FP+ prior to the rollout because I was thinking about all the really cool stuff they could do with it - stuff they apparently ended up scrapping or delaying indefinitely (no, I don't think a couple of basic tricks in queues or the end of a ride or two cuts it).

I think about that now every time I'm in an actual line for Haunted Mansion and Pirates of the Caribbean. :(
 
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MrPromey

MrPromey

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Fairy32 said:
I was in MK on June 13th...waits were always over an hour.
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I attributed it to not having FP+ but maybe it's a combo of that and having the meet-and-greet in a park that both sees lower attendance overall and isn't (yet, at least) thought of for most people, as a place to take young children for this kind of thing.

... Of course, high wait times in the MK may have also been the result of a dearth of frozen related attractions in that park to handle consumer demand for the IP. What's more interesting than a meet-and-greet? A ride, so the wait may be lower as a result of what people perceive as a better use of their waiting time next-door, too.

It's probably a combo of all of the above but it feels more satisfying to pin it strictly on FP+ so I'm going to stick with that, I think! ;)
 
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chiefs11

chiefs11

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Bolt said:
Yeah - dang, I was hoping for long waits. I hate anything that is built with great capacity. Ugh, I hope they go to 1 room only!
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LOL!

But....if they see consistent wait times of like 10 minutes or less, you can be sure they'll decide to save some money by only have 2 or 4 princesses in there instead of 6 and closing one or two of the rooms.

Maybe instead, they can reconfigure the entrance/queue and use one of the rooms for Olaf.
 

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