"Frozen" coming to Disneyland?

[yensidtlaw1969]

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I haven't been keeping up with the press or reviews, but I do know only 1 in 86 viewers liked the teaser trailer. That's 1.16%. The comments were so negative that Disney turned off the comment section.

The trailer that dropped today seems to be hitting around a 6% like/view ratio which is a major improvement. I've never been into these live-action remakes, but there's an audience for it.

Any video uploaded to Youtube that selects "made for kids" automatically has commenting shut off.

That's a Youtube thing, not a Disney thing. Youtube doesn't want to risk that children watching are exposed to potential inappropriate comments by adults who didn't realize kids were watching.

 

[Californian Elitist]

I saw her in The Color Purple on Broadway, and she was so incredible that before I even left the theater that night I had already bought tickets to see it again the next week. A revelation.

Having her as The Blue Fairy is an absolute win for this movie.

If only Pinocchio's face didn't look . . . like it does . . .

I agree with this. Though I’m not excited for this movie, Erivo’s performance as the Blue Fairy is very intriguing to me, and I will watch it for that alone.

I wish they hadn’t gone with the exact same design of Pinocchio as it is in the original. I would have preferred something more puppet-like, and I’m saying that as someone who has a fear of puppets.

Guillermo del Toro’s Pinocchio looks better.

 

[Dear Prudence]

Any video uploaded to Youtube that selects "made for kids" automatically has commenting shut off.

That's a Youtube thing, not a Disney thing. Youtube doesn't want to risk that children watching are exposed to potential inappropriate comments by adults who didn't realize kids were watching.

Or know they are being inappropriate and do it on purpose. It's also to prevent said inappropriate adults to add videos of or with children to their 'playlists.'

 

[Dear Prudence]

If only Pinocchio's face didn't look . . . like it does . . .

truly, IS that?!

 

[chadwpalm]

Any video uploaded to Youtube that selects "made for kids" automatically has commenting shut off.

That's a Youtube thing, not a Disney thing. Youtube doesn't want to risk that children watching are exposed to potential inappropriate comments by adults who didn't realize kids were watching.

Odd that they chose to do that with the first trailer, but not the second.

Now that a day has passed, the like-to-view ratio is actually worse than the first trailer hovering at about 1%:

 

[Rich T]

I saw her in The Color Purple on Broadway, and she was so incredible that before I even left the theater that night I had already bought tickets to see it again the next week. A revelation.

Having her as The Blue Fairy is an absolute win for this movie.

If only Pinocchio's face didn't look . . . like it does . . .

Seriously, having Pinocchio’s design look so much like his hand drawn counterpart is the one thing that really bugs me in this trailer. It’s difficult to suspend disbelief and accept this fantasy world when the main character’s look keeps reminding you there’s an incredible original where this design actually fits in with everything else.

 

[Parteecia]

And real lions don’t talk or sing! I hear you, but LK (the good one, I’m ignoring the remake) was never meant to be an accurate depiction of animal behavior (Hail newborn Prince Simba! May he live to devour us all!), and was mainly designed as an animated version of Hamlet. It was originally named King of the Jungle until someone pointed out that’s not where lions live.

Totally agree about Simba and Nala. Ew is right!

I do worry that people, especially kids, will take this as actual lion behavior and believe that the lions are in charge when it's actually the lionesses who call the shots. Having them cringe before Scar is just ... no. He'd be dead.

Too many people get their "facts" from movies.

 

[Rich T]

I do worry that people, especially kids, will take this as actual lion behavior and believe that the lions are in charge when it's actually the lionesses who call the shots. Having them cringe before Scar is just ... no. He'd be dead.

You have a point, especially regarding a movie that pretends to be saying something meaningful about ecology and balance when it’s actually absolute nonsense from start to finish. I like the film as entertainment, but regarding animal behavior, it’s about as accurate as Kung Fu Panda.

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

Seriously, having Pinocchio’s design look so much like his hand drawn counterpart is the one thing that really bugs me in this trailer. It’s difficult to suspend disbelief and accept this fantasy world when the main character’s look keeps reminding you there’s an incredible original where this design actually fits in with everything else.

I personally don't mind him looking so much like the hand drawn Pinocchio - my issue is that he looks so much like him only until he turns forward. The character is fantastically on-model everywhere but his face. It makes him look like a bad video game interpretation.

Like, here he looks pretty good:

Here he looks like he lept out of the Animation:

But then, here . . . WHAT is THAT??:

Compare to the original . . . the 1940 character looks pleasant and charming. The 2022 face looks plastic and haunting.

The face is the only part that doesn't work. That's a shocking misfire. Who approved this model??

 

[Rich T]

…I wish they hadn’t gone with the exact same design of Pinocchio as it is in the original. I would have preferred something more puppet-like, and I’m saying that as someone who has a fear of puppets.

Guillermo del Toro’s Pinocchio looks better.

My first reaction was kind of like the people in this great old commercial:


And though I’ll check Disney’s film to see exactly what Zemeckis has put together, I am most looking forward to seeing Del Toro’s adaptation. I hope it’s as great as it looks.

 

[Rich T]

I personally don't mind him looking so much like the hand drawn Pinocchio - my issue is that he looks so much like him only until he turns forward. The character is fantastically on-model everywhere but his face. It makes him look like a bad video game interpretation.

Like, here he looks pretty good:
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Here he looks like he lept out of the Animation:

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But then, here . . . WHAT is THAT??:

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Compare to the original . . . the 1940 character looks pleasant and charming. The 2022 face looks plastic and haunting.

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The face is the only part that doesn't work. That's a shocking misfire. Who approved this model??

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I wish Frank and Ollie we’re still alive to give their thoughts about all this “borrowing” from their work on the character. I have a hunch that, being the incredibly classy and generous gentlemen that they were, they’d be very diplomatic.

 

[Californian Elitist]

My first reaction was kind of like the people in this great old commercial:


And though I’ll check Disney’s film to see exactly what Zemeckis has put together, I am most looking forward to seeing Del Toro’s adaptation. I hope it’s as great as it looks.

I’m also going to watch both, mainly because all I have to do is stream it and I love Hanks, Zemeckis, and Erivo. But I’m only excited for del Toro’s version. Lol.

 

[CaptinEO]

I personally don't mind him looking so much like the hand drawn Pinocchio - my issue is that he looks so much like him only until he turns forward. The character is fantastically on-model everywhere but his face. It makes him look like a bad video game interpretation.

Like, here he looks pretty good:
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Here he looks like he lept out of the Animation:

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But then, here . . . WHAT is THAT??:

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Compare to the original . . . the 1940 character looks pleasant and charming. The 2022 face looks plastic and haunting.

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The face is the only part that doesn't work. That's a shocking misfire. Who approved this model??

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Pinocchio is my favorite animated film. This new one does nothing for me. Your one frame of the 1940 film shows artwork, charm, and craftsmanship that appeals to me on a much bigger level than 3D animation.

 

[Phroobar]

I personally don't mind him looking so much like the hand drawn Pinocchio - my issue is that he looks so much like him only until he turns forward. The character is fantastically on-model everywhere but his face. It makes him look like a bad video game interpretation.

Like, here he looks pretty good:





But then, here . . . WHAT is THAT??:

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I don't think they finished the CG paint job on that scene. It's almost the Ugly Sonic model.

 

[PiratesMansion]

I was nearly finished with my Disney / Pixar library (physical and digital) when Disney + came out. I intend to finish my library as well.

I admire your stamina.

I was most of the way there but I bailed after Chicken Little. I no longer feel an obligation to buy any of their movies if they do nothing for me or are pieces of garbage.

 

[mickEblu]

I admire your stamina.

I was most of the way there but I bailed after Chicken Little. I no longer feel an obligation to buy any of their movies if they do nothing for me or are pieces of garbage.

Haha I hear you. I took a nice break the last few years with all the garbage movies coming out but then Disney Movie Club sends you the free 5 movies offer if you buy 3 movies at full price over 2 years and reel you right back in.

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

I wish Frank and Ollie we’re still alive to give their thoughts about all this “borrowing” from their work on the character. I have a hunch that, being the incredibly classy and generous gentlemen that they were, they’d be very diplomatic.

I think this is part of what is working for me, personally - Pinocchio's movement while skipping off to school in the new trailer is pure Frank and Ollie. If the idea there was that you were never gonna do better than the work they did in the original, well, I kinda can't help but agree and appreciate someone making the effort toward that kind of tribute.

My issue is just that if they're gonna be so faithful to the model of the original character, why didn't they just go the whole way?? Why tamper with his face? It's so jarring to see this wonky new expression when the rest of the character is so "right". If they wanted to take him in a new direction, then they probably should have just committed to that and ditched the original character design for something that felt merely referential to it. Foulfellow and Gideon appear to be pretty successful in this regard. I don't love how Jiminy looks.

I think part of my issue too is that the way his face is rendered looks like it's made out of plastic. Among all the other CG elements onscreen, his face doesn't look realistically like a wooden puppet. Meanwhile the designs and textures everywhere else feel much more in touch with their "actual" materials.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I think this is part of what is working for me, personally - Pinocchio's movement while skipping off to school in the new trailer is pure Frank and Ollie. If the idea there was that you were never gonna do better than the work they did in the original, well, I kinda can't help but agree and appreciate someone making the effort toward that kind of tribute.

My issue is just that if they're gonna be so faithful to the model of the original character, why didn't they just go the whole way?? Why tamper with his face? It's so jarring to see this wonky new expression when the rest of the character is so "right". If they wanted to take him in a new direction, then they probably should have just committed to that and ditched the original character design for something that felt merely referential to it. Foulfellow and Gideon appear to be pretty successful in this regard. I don't love how Jiminy looks.

I think part of my issue too is that the way his face is rendered looks like it's made out of plastic. Among all the other CG elements onscreen, his face doesn't look realistically like a wooden puppet. Meanwhile the designs and textures everywhere else feel much more in touch with their "actual" materials.

I think part of this is that 3D computer animation in a lot of ways is like digital puppetry. In traditional animation that is draw one frame at a time you can fake things more easily because there is not an actual “physical” connection between the frame. The most famous example of this is Mickey Mouse whose ears defy all physical logic by moving about his head and are always perpendicular to the viewer. And while it’s possible to individual manipulate the digital character models like they do with Mickey it’s also a lot more work. It doesn’t help that Zemeckis seems to have a thing for weird looking computer animated characters.

 

[chadwpalm]

I think part of this is that 3D computer animation in a lot of ways is like digital puppetry. In traditional animation that is draw one frame at a time you can fake things more easily because there is not an actual “physical” connection between the frame. The most famous example of this is Mickey Mouse whose ears defy all physical logic by moving about his head and are always perpendicular to the viewer. And while it’s possible to individual manipulate the digital character models like they do with Mickey it’s also a lot more work. It doesn’t help that Zemeckis seems to have a thing for weird looking computer animated characters.

The closer you try to come to realism in CGI, especially with human characters, the harder it is to stay out of the uncanny valley.

The problem with Pinocchio is that he is a puppet that walks and talks which is something that isn't real. We know this in the back of our minds. They can do their best to make it look as real as possible when it comes to the textures and lighting, but no matter what face you put in the character it will always seem uncanny because we know it's not real. I kinda wonder how long they played around with it to try and find that balance of looking real but not entering the uncanny valley. I don't know if there was anything they really could have done.

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

I think part of this is that 3D computer animation in a lot of ways is like digital puppetry. In traditional animation that is draw one frame at a time you can fake things more easily because there is not an actual “physical” connection between the frame. The most famous example of this is Mickey Mouse whose ears defy all physical logic by moving about his head and are always perpendicular to the viewer. And while it’s possible to individual manipulate the digital character models like they do with Mickey it’s also a lot more work. It doesn’t help that Zemeckis seems to have a thing for weird looking computer animated characters.

Totally - that's part of why it's so wild that the CGI Pinocchio looks good from every angle but the front. It's as if they scanned the original model into 3D and just transplanted a reworked and weirdly flat face onto him with minimal concern for whether or not it looked appealing.