EPCOT Explorer
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Yes, all those "theories"....and "facts proven though science...":lookaroun:lol:
Good lord. Makes you wonder....
:ROFLOL::ROFLOL:
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Food and Wine Nickel and Diming
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Yes, all those "theories"....and "facts proven though science...":lookaroun:lol:
Good lord. Makes you wonder....
:ROFLOL::ROFLOL:coasterphil
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I heard the jury's still out on science.
The Conundrum
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I love the way Disney thinks:
"Ok guys so the economy is spiraling into a depression so how do we attract people to the park in this stressful time?" - Iger
"increase prices" - Rasolu
"Ok guys so the economy is spiraling into a depression so how do we attract people to the park in this stressful time?" - Iger
"increase prices" - Rasolu
DisneyMusician2
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I don't like the ticket price increase either, but c'mon. Its still a business where attendance barely dropped.
Saying that is like saying the farmers were sitting around going "There's a recession and a shortage of food. What should we do?" "Jack up the prices!"
Recession = harder to make money
Offer big deals in 2009 = make less money
Open parks means money being spent by management. If food costs more, and electric costs more, and you are bleeding cash in an effort to get people to visit, then what else were they supposed to do?
Cut CM salary? Mass layoffs? Close attractions due to financial constraints?
Sorry about the rant, but some of the comments just rub me the wrong way.
EPCOT Explorer
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Scopes trial, much?:lookaroun:lol:
EPCOT Explorer
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DisneyMusician2
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1930's much?:lookaroun
I must be in a historical mood....:lookaroun
True enough
EPCOT Explorer
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True enough
One thing that I love about my line of study...There are theories, as in science, there is mutliple opinion, but at the basis of it, it's FACT.:lol::lookaroun
Of course...It's subjective fact...:lol: History is written by it's winners...:lookaroun:wave:
I'll shaddup now.
EPCOT Explorer
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But...but...but...Pangaea!:lookaroun:lol:
DisneyMusician2
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:ROFLOL::ROFLOL:
I suppose the question is: Who will be writing Disney history?
Is it actually possible for Disney Parks to collapse under its own weight?
vonpluto
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jt04
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Your showing signs of stress.
And again.
One thing that I love about my line of study...There are theories, as in science, there is mutliple opinion, but at the basis of it, it's FACT.
Do tell :lookaroun
Of course...It's subjective fact...:lol: History is written by it's winners...:lookaroun:wave:
Explain "winning" please. :lookaroun
I'll shaddup now.
[/QUOTE]I recommend sleep. And plenty of it. :lookaroun
14 days to D23!
Pumbas Nakasak
Heading for the great escape.
I guess the truth must sting.......................
jakeman
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The differing opinions on this issue have be hashed over several times by now.
Again though I will point out that this:
The free-ness of the tastings were making the wait times unbearable, before they started reducing the number of tastings a few years ago. It only got worse as they reduced the number. That has been my experience and those that I have spoken to. I fully acknowledge that they are an anecdotial sampling.
While I don't really like how far they have taken it (with the reduced ticket prices for planning ahead) I understand their reasoning. Up until the point that it became "one more thing to plan" I was excited about this change.
Economic hyperbole aside, Disney is not a right nor a neccessity. Regardless of the economic state they can choose to charge whatever they want. Using the cavaet of, "We're in a recession/depression" as a cornerstone of any arguement regarding a discretionary item or event's pricing seems at best logically flawed, at worst hypocritical and self serving.
Again though I will point out that this:
Was more than likely the problem that led to the change. Not singling you out, SirGoofy, just using you as an example.
The free-ness of the tastings were making the wait times unbearable, before they started reducing the number of tastings a few years ago. It only got worse as they reduced the number. That has been my experience and those that I have spoken to. I fully acknowledge that they are an anecdotial sampling.
While I don't really like how far they have taken it (with the reduced ticket prices for planning ahead) I understand their reasoning. Up until the point that it became "one more thing to plan" I was excited about this change.
Economic hyperbole aside, Disney is not a right nor a neccessity. Regardless of the economic state they can choose to charge whatever they want. Using the cavaet of, "We're in a recession/depression" as a cornerstone of any arguement regarding a discretionary item or event's pricing seems at best logically flawed, at worst hypocritical and self serving.
Gee, what a shock. Disney constantly is raising prices, INCLUDING at the food and wine sample booths, and they REDUCE the number of free tastings ... and voila!!! Longer lines.
And, yes, they were getting longer before.
But here's a novel idea ... how about adding more of them? How about giving people MORE for their $$$? Especially since Disney has raised the prices of admission and all food and beverage annually (often more than once).
The point of the tastings was so people could try food and beverages that they might not have and learn about them. Now, the answer is to charge for them ... how typically ballsy. Typical Disney. Like holiday pricing on buffets. Removing prime rib from menus and saying it was due to guests' requests. Now the Brown Derby has gone to a one menu all day format with higher price points and no increase in quality or variety ... but that hasn't made it as news here to my knowledge.
Welcome to WDW: 2009. Where pretty soon you'll need to reserve restroom times six months ahead.
The joy of these tastings was discovering what was on today's slate and deciding what ones you wanted to attend. That's gone now, in addition to the freebies.
The local and visiting foodies ... the savvier guests will book the majority of the seats in advance (much like dining) and Disney will leave a small percentage open for the day ofs (making $3 more on them). I'd be shocked if they leave more than 25% of the seatings open if people choose to book in advance.
Again, more stratification and less quality for all. Pay more for something everyone got for free. Or had an equal chance to. And make it seem like its good for the guests.
Kind of like closing EPCOT every night at 9 in the summer (instead of those 11 and midnight closings that I imagined I lived through in the 80s and 90s) and then leave parts of it open on Tuesdays and Thursdays for resort guests.
Thanks for the economics lesson. I'd save it for more worthy rightwing causes like 'you can't afford healthcare or insurance, then go die, this is America where nothing is free unless you're a bank, corporation or wealthy individual!'
The bottom line is, as I've stated, we're in the closest thing to a depression this nation has seen in over half a century. And smart companies are giving people more for less. This isn't a question of whether Disney is a right. That's an absurd thing to debate. You give people more for their money at times like this ... or you give things away ... you don't look at 2009 like you're playing by 1997, 2004 or 2007 rules.
I'm talking about smart business. Steve Wynn was recently quoted about the price points on food in Las Vegas and how they weren't real and were sustained only by expense accounts and credit. There was a great story in the Miami Herald a month ago where top restaurant owners and chefs stated the days of $40 entrees are over.
So, every market is getting necessary corrections based upon the flawed version of capitalism that made the past decade (or more) largely a lie.
Yet ... not at Disney.
They throw pixie dust in the air and keep raising prices and giving people less for their money. And then they turn around and discount their a$$es off ... it's dumb business, putting aside the whole idea of Disney exceeding guests expectations.
EPCOT Explorer
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Your showing signs of stress.
And again.
One thing that I love about my line of study...There are theories, as in science, there is mutliple opinion, but at the basis of it, it's FACT.
Do tell :lookaroun
Of course...It's subjective fact...: History is written by it's winners...:
Explain "winning" please. :lookaroun
I'll shaddup now.
I recommend sleep. And plenty of it. :lookaroun
14 days to D23!
What a low attempt at a try, jt!
:lol: Quite wrong.Do tell? The Declaration was signed on July 4th, 1776. FACT. America began then- Subjective Fact. Was that really the birth of our United States of America, or would that come later- with the signing of Constitution for all 13 Colonies/States? You'll find a billion opinions on it.
Winning?- We won the War of 1812. We call it the War of 1812. Do you know what learned professors and the British call it in some cases?- The Second American War/Revolution. Another example- Our history books call our Civil War, just that. Scholars in the south, and in the Reconstruction Era called it the War of Yankee Aggression. The United States won that war....and what do we call it?
Sleep? Getting a ton. Can't say what I could or would recomend for you, though!:wave:
Take notes, jt...There's a test.
jt04
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What a low attempt at a try, jt!
Do tell? The Declaration was signed on July 4th, 1776. FACT. America began then- Subjective Fact. Was that really the birth of our United States of America, or would that come later- with the signing of Constitution for all 13 Colonies/States? You'll find a billion opinions on it.
Winning?- We won the War of 1812. We call it the War of 1812. Do you know what learned professors and the British call it in some cases?- The Second American War/Revolution. Another example- Our history books call our Civil War, just that. Scholars in the south, and in the Reconstruction Era called it the War of Yankee Aggression. The United States won that war....and what do we call it?
Sleep? Getting a ton. Can't say what I could or would recomend for you, though!:wave:
Take notes, jt...There's a test.
I believe the U.S. started on July 2. Fact.
Some people once believed the earth was flat. If it was called "subjective fact" at the time would that make it true?
And if the Brits write about the War of 1812 as the Second American Revolution, aren't they writing history?
:lookaroun
jakeman
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Maybe because none of us know what is involved in that process. I'm not going to demand something that may be well unfeasible, that just leads to dissapointment.
Disney is a business that exist solely to make money. Why is this so hard for you to grasp?
While I don't like and won't schedule these tastings in advance, stratification at the resort doesn't bother me. You and others around here seem to have a serious hang up with classism (and I'm not calling you a socialist, so you can just put that horse back in its barn). Again, its a vacation resort, not a right. I'm okay with getting more for paying more.
I'm not talking about health care. I'm talking about a vacation resort. They are two completely different things and if you have trouble making that distiction, you should probably step away from the keyboard for a while.
Really? Coke beat their second quarter profits all the while introducing a 16 oz size for the same price as their former 20 oz size.
Disney, while they didn't meet expectations, made a profit last quarter.
It's interesting that you claim this is an absurd thing to debate, but here you are...
You have a unique inability to stay on topic and turn every conversation into a quasi-political rant. It's unfortunately really. You usually have good points that we can't see because your soapbox is so damn high.
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