EPCOT Figment, well, to be replaced by Figment

[EagleScout610]

On the opposite end of this, I feel like Disney would go cheap with the idea that “anything is better than what’s there now,” whereas with Tiana they know that they have to make something that lives up to what it’s replacing.

That's my concern with Figment. Since people complain about V3 I wouldn't put it past Disney to throw a bandaid on and say "See isn't this better?".

 

[zipadee999]

That's my concern with Figment. Since people complain about V3 I wouldn't put it past Disney to throw a bandaid on and say "See isn't this better?".

That’s valid, but I feel that the nature of V3 would hopefully prevent that. V3 was built as a quick fix to V2 by attempting (and failing) to bring back some of the original’s charm. In 2002, people could compare the two, and say V3 was better. However, since V3 brought back figment, people now use the ‘original figment ride’ as their only frame of reference. Because figment is in V3, unlike V2, people compare it to the only other place they saw Figment, which was V1. It’s no longer “We want figment back and we’ll take anything,” it’s “Give us the original figment because this new version’s awful.” Because V1 is now the gold standard frame of reference, hopefully V4 will be compared to V1 rather than V3

 

[Disgruntled Walt]

That’s valid, but I feel that the nature of V3 would hopefully prevent that. V3 was built as a quick fix to V2 by attempting (and failing) to bring back some of the original’s charm. In 2002, people could compare the two, and say V3 was better. However, since V3 brought back figment, people now use the ‘original figment ride’ as their only frame of reference. Because figment is in V3, unlike V2, people compare it to the only other place they saw Figment, which was V1. It’s no longer “We want figment back and we’ll take anything,” it’s “Give us the original figment because this new version’s awful.” Because V1 is now the gold standard frame of reference, hopefully V4 will be compared to V1 rather than V3

And I don't think anyone in 2002 thought V3 would last longer than the other two versions combined!

 

[WaluigiTime]

Even if they could easily bring the turn table back I don't think they would because maintenance on it was apparently a nightmare.

 

[FigmentsBrightIdeas]

Even if they could easily bring the turn table back I don't think they would because maintenance on it was apparently a nightmare.

Yet that seems to be why they’ve been upgrading hydraulic powered AA figures to updated electric motor powered ones for that very reason. Why not simply do the same for whatever system was running the turntable, especially if the infrastructure is still there behind the base boards/temporary hollow walls and floors placed above it?? All the more reason to simply go and update it. On top of upgrading the computers/software used to run the ride itself, To ‘lessen’ the amount of maintenance needed on it back in the day aswell as currently since ‘99/‘02.

 

[Brer Oswald]

The turntable is what motivated opperations to close the attraction in the first place. It's been 26 years or so, and WDI has tons of brilliant engineers that are constantly developing new tech. I'm sure they could come up with a solution to make this scene (or a similar scene) work again. It would obviously need more investment than what is being proposed.

 

[DreamfinderGuy]

But isn’t the turntable mech literally there behind wall & floor boards? I’m certain it’s still there and that it wasn’t removed. You can even see the structure still along the walls and floors if you know where to look, It again probably just needs some tlc to get it running again, much like the disabled/covered over by hollow floor boards, parts of the track.

It's "intact" the same way the sunken floors in CommuniCore are. Structurally yes, it's there, but modified to the point where it will never be functional again.

Even if they could easily bring the turn table back I don't think they would because maintenance on it was apparently a nightmare.

Speaking under the assumption that they could theoretically "bring it back" - it wouldn't be what was there before. It's no longer 1998, you could get it working a lot more reliably. It was less the turntable itself causing problems and more the show control system not playing nice with it.

 

[Haymarket2008]

The easiest win/fix: literally put all of what was inside the Figment Little Golden Book inside that ride.

A brand new take on Version 1 but with Imagineering and WDW history Easter eggs. It’s a no brainer.

 

[Moth]

The easiest win/fix: literally put all of what was inside the Figment Little Golden Book inside that ride.

A brand new take on Version 1 but with Imagineering and WDW history Easter eggs. It’s a no brainer.

Imagination 4 with the WoM dragon, Horizons robot butler and some of Kitchen Kabaret making guest appearances? Sure. Why not.

 

[trainplane3]

Yet that seems to be why they’ve been upgrading hydraulic powered AA figures to updated electric motor powered ones for that very reason. Why not simply do the same for whatever system was running the turntable, especially if the infrastructure is still there behind the base boards/temporary hollow walls and floors placed above it?? All the more reason to simply go and update it. On top of upgrading the computers/software used to run the ride itself, To ‘lessen’ the amount of maintenance needed on it back in the day aswell as currently since ‘99/‘02.

It's still there as in "it exists but is locked and concreted in place". If they can't get the money to do a proper refurb, you can be assured the turntable is not ever going to move again.

 

[Mickeynerd17]

I don't see why they couldn't gut the remains of the turntable and simply build a new one in its place. The walls and 40ish% of the track are there unless it was built before the building was fully enclosed during original construction.

If not that, then maybe gut the entire turntable part of the building and split it into different show scenes.

 

[DreamfinderGuy]

I don't see why they couldn't gut the remains of the turntable and simply build a new one in its place. The walls and 40ish% of the track are there unless it was built before the building was fully enclosed during original construction.

If not that, then maybe gut the entire turntable part of the building and split it into different show scenes.

@marni1971 would know better, but it's my understanding that breaking the original ensured there will never be another there because of some kind of structural reason. It sounds feasible, but I seem to recall there being something precluding it.

 

[Brer Panther]

Yeah, Figment is staying no matter what happens to the ride in some sort of role. He's already the King of EPCOT, but he would just become the God of EPCOT at that point lol. He already has all of this mind you, the ride just helps boost his case.

Figment is safe, any retheming attempts have been swatted down.

Thank goodness.

I don't know why I was surprised to find out that they apparently considered putting Soul in the Imagination pavilion, considering Iger's DIsney wants to put Coco in Animal Kingdom. Do I even want to know what other IPs (aside from Inside Out and the Muppets) were considered before they decided not to get rid of Figment? Tell me, did someone suggest putting Zootopia in there too at one point?

 

[HMF]

Resurrecting the original ride is significantly easier said than done, they did a lot of damage with JIYI. You can't put the turntable back, you'd have to do some insane crafty thing like making five dream mobiles that move on their own around and around in circles. The rest? Yeah, it could theoretically be redone, but the turntable is a huge hurdle.

It's not like this is a multi-billion dollar company or anything.

 

[HMF]

Thank goodness.

I don't know why I was surprised to find out that they apparently considered putting Soul in the Imagination pavilion, considering Iger's DIsney wants to put Coco in Animal Kingdom. Do I even want to know what other IPs (aside from Inside Out and the Muppets) were considered before they decided not to get rid of Figment? Tell me, did someone suggest putting Zootopia in there too at one point?

I am still baffled that Inside Out has not taken over WOL. It's such an obvious fit and I am traditionally anti-IP in EPCOT.

 

[FigmentJedi]

Imagination 4 with the WoM dragon, Horizons robot butler and some of Kitchen Kabaret making guest appearances? Sure. Why not.

And the Nautilus!

 

[zipadee999]

I am still baffled that Inside Out has not taken over WOL. It's such an obvious fit and I am traditionally anti-IP in EPCOT.

I’d love to see a new and improved cranium command based on inside out where we help the emotions control Riley from inside her head for a day. Seems like it could be a no ‘brainer’ (pun pun pun)

And the Nautilus!

I think a new imagination could be a thesis of all things Epcot and Disney. They could make it a Disney multiverse of sorts with all of these winks and nods from Disney’s past coming and going as Dreamfinder and Figment ‘imagine’ them just like the imagineers did

 

[Moth]

Thank goodness.

I don't know why I was surprised to find out that they apparently considered putting Soul in the Imagination pavilion, considering Iger's DIsney wants to put Coco in Animal Kingdom. Do I even want to know what other IPs (aside from Inside Out and the Muppets) were considered before they decided not to get rid of Figment? Tell me, did someone suggest putting Zootopia in there too at one point?

I heard Soul, Inside Out and Muppets were considered within the last ten years (obviously Soul is more recent). Phineas & Ferb were considered for a Lil something also.

 

[Homemade Imagineering]

I heard Soul, Inside Out and Muppets were considered within the last ten years (obviously Soul is more recent). Phineas & Ferb were considered for a Lil something also.

Yeah that all seems to corroborate with what others have claimed in the past, I gotta say I’m most thankful Phineas & Ferb never came to fruition. I can imagine it would’ve dated itself pretty badly by this point if it had. To me hearing Soul was considered is almost no surprise. I actually remember being a little worried that they’d try to shoehorn it in around the time it came out. I could see Disney wanting to use Moonwind as an obscure nod to Dreamfinder

 

[FigmentJedi]

As far as other ideas for "Let's cram some Epcot throwbacks into Imagination 4" go, they'd never go for it, but I've always felt the Dreamseekers from Tapestry of Dreams could fit into JII's world since they were basically created as a collective "Discount Dreamfinder" anyways.