Rumor Figment, well, to be replaced by Figment

Epcot82Guy

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I think we are talking about "continuous" scenes vs. "triggered" scenes, to use other terms.

In the first, you enter a scene that appears to be already happening. Examples would be the initial battle scene and auction scene of Pirates, Under the Sea in Little Mermaid, all of IASW, the finale of Splash (RIP).

In the latter, you enter a scene which kicks it off. Scenes like the entirety of Pooh, most of GMR, ToT's elevator scene, a good portion of Rise.

And then you have some hybrids where triggers are added into a continuous scene and/or the scene is designed to give the impression a character is talking to you directly. The triggered gags in Splash. Scuttle in Little Mermaid. The song portions of FEA (which are somewhere in between actually).

For the original IMAG, the opening scene with Dreamfinder was actually a triggered scene. Then you went into mostly continuous scenes with a few hybrid elements thrown in. The newest version is almost exclusively triggered scenes.

I really miss Disney's use of the continuous scenes, since they are often more immersive and higher reride. You don't see the exact same thing each time. That is based on the story, but they are rarely used these days it seems. We have to be smacked across the head with a simplistic story vs. enter a scene where a story is already underway.
 

mysto

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Not the case.. have you seen Martin’s ultimate tribute video of the attraction? Line for the popcorn buckets was almost the same as the original ride yet the ride had the capacity to handle things. Otherwise, Figment is more than just a purple dragon.. if it were simply that he were a purple dragon, then how come the current ride hardly gets any ridership daily?… I thought the fact that he was a purple dragon is what made him popular… oh wait.. yeah, that’s what I thought.. a fundamental misunderstanding on WDI’s part. The true reason why Figment sells is due to his philosophy and his original curious, wide eyed child full of optimism, purity & wonder characterization. Yes he’s cute & appealing from a design perspective, but he’s more than that.
OMG I love your enthusiasm. I'm just saying is "purple dragon" is all that's needed to be popular. I'm not saying there's nothing more to the character. Agree!
 

Rodj

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Someone recently decided to paint their Fab 50 Figment statue:
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The colors weren't accurate to the "modern" design, so I decided to do a rough coloring edit:
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I would love if the new animatronics could be made with this style/mold.
 

Movielover

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most of GMR, ToT's elevator scene, a good portion of Rise.
Excellent breakdown of the 2 types of scenes. I will say I think these 3 ride's use of trigger scenes is appropriate since we as the riders are the protagonist of the ride. The story revolves around us as the rides advancing the story. Its a good example of knowing and using the right ride type/ scene type for each attraction.
 

Epcot82Guy

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Excellent breakdown of the 2 types of scenes. I will say I think these 3 ride's use of trigger scenes is appropriate since we as the riders are the protagonist of the ride. The story revolves around us as the rides advancing the story. Its a good example of knowing and using the right ride type/ scene type for each attraction.

I agree. I actually think that points out another aspect. I wish they would go back to the blend of "observer" and "protagonist" rides. I get that everyone "loves to be the center of the action", but that's not entirely true. With the exception of Navi, there haven't been any "observer" rides in recent history I can think of. Instead, you are always either the protagonist or riding along with the protagonist. There's nothing inherently wrong with that. But, it actually makes it more difficult story wise. There is a clear story - just one. And, once you've seen it a couple of times, you've seen it. So, it creates a huge excitement spike on the initial rides, but you are less inclined to look for all the details - to figure out the story (since it's just handed to you).

In many cases, that's totally great (and arguably the right thing to do). And, you can always just rely on the thrill of the ride or character familiarity. You can also rely on cool technology, but that wanes more quickly.

Like the IP integration, it can become too much when there isn't any type of balance. Story can be discovered - it doesn't have to be "told".
 

Cmdr_Crimson

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I’d love to see the turntable return and it could be done in theory as the general footprint is still there however it was also a well known maintenance nightmare. Whether modern tech could remedy that I’m not sure.
Perhaps the former planned Mary Poppins ride was to have you ride the Carousel horses and the rotating table tech could have been used so now they have an attraction that can utilize that rotating table..Hmmm??
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Inspired Figment

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I’d love to see the turntable return and it could be done in theory as the general footprint is still there however it was also a well known maintenance nightmare. Whether modern tech could remedy that I’m not sure.
It ‘absolutely’ would & could.. no question about it. hell, that whole “maintenance” thing always seemed like a lousy excuse of a reason to redo it, moreso from just a general estimate/projection of maintenance costs at the time with the complex spfx slide projectors mainly, considering I’ve ‘never’ seen any video footage of the ride breaking down in that turntable scene ever. And even when it did have any ride system issues, the computer always corrected it. Truth be told though, our phones & computers we have now have far more power than those computers that ran the ride originally ever did.
 
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Inspired Figment

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The only real issues I know of was really getting it up & running from the time in between Oct 82 - March 83... and that was mainly the originally proposed roller coaster drops into the literature scenes and (I believe) the Realm of Science scene. But that’d been taken out before it’d even opened.
That theoretically could also be fixed with today’s technology.
That and the moving/speed ramp at the very end that was removed/altered, which ‘that’ had caused issues. But again, yeah..
 
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Dragonman

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The only real issues I know of was really getting it up & running from the time in between Oct 82 - March 83... and that was mainly the originally proposed roller coaster drops into the literature scenes and (I believe) the Realm of Science scene. But that’d been taken out before it’d even opened.
That theoretically could also be fixed with today’s technology.
That and the moving/speed ramp at the very end that was removed/altered, which ‘that’ had caused issues. But again, yeah..
According to @marni1971 ‘s wonderful video there was also a problem with interfacing the vehicles with the rotating turntable and fitting the 83 drive motors for the ride.
 

Mickeynerd17

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Just because there's no video or audio of imagination breaking down doesn't mean it never happened. I believe there was an issue that they decided to remove rather than fix. Also moving imageworks downstairs was a factor in the decision.

Heck, the original energy exterior music loop is "lost" because no full audio/video recording either exists or has been posted online.
 

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