Rumor Figment, well, to be replaced by Figment

bubbles1812

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*Or* why can’t you guys comprehend that the comic version of him is when he was *younger*, *before* the events of the original ride. Hence why it’s an *origin* story. He looks like his regular older self by the end of the series. Personally though, I say it’s best we go with the older version of him so it makes sense timeline wise. As long as his charm and personality is the same, doesn’t really matter either way.
Is it wrong to say that I don’t mind if Dreamfinder returns? It’d be lovely but the real reason I loved the original ride all had to do with Figment. It is the only thing Disney has done that’s I’ve never really been able to forgive. I ride the current iteration once in a trip to honor the original. I want a new version of Journey with the spirit of the old Figment, whatever that looks like... and less Nigel Channing. :cautious:
 

UNCgolf

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Is it wrong to say that I don’t mind if Dreamfinder returns? It’d be lovely but the real reason I loved the original ride all had to do with Figment. It is the only thing Disney has done that’s I’ve never really been able to forgive. I ride the current iteration once in a trip to honor the original. I want a new version of Journey with the spirit of the old Figment, whatever that looks like... and less Nigel Channing. :cautious:

I don't think you can have the original Figment without Dreamfinder; the character doesn't really work otherwise. Dreamfinder was the actual centerpiece of the original ride IMO. Figment was an important part, but he played off of Dreamfinder.
 

Inspired Figment

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Is it wrong to say that I don’t mind if Dreamfinder returns? It’d be lovely but the real reason I loved the original ride all had to do with Figment. It is the only thing Disney has done that’s I’ve never really been able to forgive. I ride the current iteration once in a trip to honor the original. I want a new version of Journey with the spirit of the old Figment, whatever that looks like... and less Nigel Channing. :cautious:
I’d say it is wrong. You have to have the two to balance it out. Figment is the enthusiastic, wide-eyed child full of unbridled curiosity and wonderment. Dreamfinder is his fatherly, mentor figure and our guide throughout the ride who shows both him and *us* the guests, what the creative process is about, what our imagination can create when used to to it’s potential, and what it can lead up to once we finally find that creative occupation or idea that helps utilize our true talent and capabilities.
 

bubbles1812

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I’d say it is wrong. You have to have the two to balance it out. Figment is the enthusiastic, wide-eyed child full of wide-eyed curiosity and wonderment. Dreamfinder is his mentor and our guide throughout the ride who shows both him and *us* the guests, what the creative process is about, what our imagination can create when used to to it’s potential, and what it can lead up to once we finally find that creative occupation or idea that helps us find our true talent and capabilities.
Then I suppose I’ll just hope for hot Dreamfinder, as @MisterPenguin alluded to. A gal has to get her kicks somewhere. ;)

I was introduced to Figment as a 7 year old. You could understand why I might relate more to him than Dreamfinder... so while I recognize he was the guide, he just didn’t have that much an impact on me. I’m sure many kids would have the same reaction today. The old man vibe was a bit weird to me even then. I don’t miss Dreamfinder like I do the original version of Figment.

So in all seriousness, if both come back, I think it’d be wise to age him down a little. And certainly nothing says they have to follow the original (relatively obscure) comic origin story or storyline of the original ride. (Though I truly did love it).
 
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UNCgolf

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Then I suppose I’ll just hope for hot Dreamfinder, as @MisterPenguin alluded to. I gal has to get her kicks somewhere. ;)

I was introduced to Figment as a 7 year old. You could understand why I might relate more to him than Dreamfinder... so while I recognize he was the guide, he just didn’t have that much an impact on me. Im sure many kids would have the same reaction today. The old man vibe was a bit weird to me even then.

So in all seriousness, if both come back, I think it’d be wise to age him down a little. And certainly nothing says they have to follow the original (relatively obscure) comic origin story or storyline of the original ride (Though I truly did love it).

Dreamfinder wasn't old in the original ride, though. He seemed to me like he was supposed to be in his mid 40s-50s. It's not like he was 85.

And I don't think there's anything wrong with relating to Figment more than Dreamfinder -- I just think that the Figment you want needs Dreamfinder to actually BE that Figment. Otherwise you get a character like the one that exists in the current ride. Silly naivety needs grounding to not be annoying (I realize the current ride's Figment is MORE annoying than that and certainly didn't have to be what he is, but I think without a character like Dreamfinder that's the sort of the direction it's going to naturally lean).
 

bubbles1812

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Dreamfinder wasn't old in the original ride, though. He seemed to me like he was supposed to be in his mid 40s-50s. It's not like he was 85.

And I don't think there's anything wrong with relating to Figment more than Dreamfinder -- I just think that the Figment you want needs Dreamfinder to actually BE that Figment. Otherwise you get a character like the one that exists in the current ride. Silly naivety needs grounding to not be annoying (I realize the current ride's Figment is MORE annoying than that and certainly didn't have to be what he is, but I think without a character like Dreamfinder that's the sort of the direction it's going to naturally lean).

Lol. I was 7. He had a beard, curly red-grey hair, wore glasses, and was a little paunchy. The closest real life figures I had who fit that model were my paternal grandfather and Santa Claus. 7 year old me thought he looked quite old. :hilarious: I think we forget that children sometimes look at the world a bit differently.

I have not said I would be upset if Dreamfinder came back. My pull is Figment. And if done right, one could easily make a ride with Figment without Dreamfinder. The key words there are if done right. Certainly the tone of the current version would have to be toned down. He’s annoying. So is Nigel. Makes for an awful ride. Only the ending scene with the song gets at the spirit of the original, and then only a little.

(But again, if Dreamfinder comes back. All the better. I just don’t personally need him in the ride if the ride is done right.)
 

UNCgolf

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I don't NEED Dreamfinder in the ride either -- but I have a hard time envisioning a ride where Figment works without him (or some other character like him). I'm sure it's possible, but it seems really hard to pull off a ride that's Figment alone that wouldn't end up somewhat grating for adults. That's my point. I'd be fine with Figment alone if it's done well, but I think it's significantly easier to make a great ride with a Dreamfinder character involved.

I was also 6 or 7 when I rode it for the first time!
 

Inspired Figment

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Lol. I was 7. He had a beard, curly red-grey hair, wore glasses, and was a little paunchy. The closest real life figures I had who fit that model were my paternal grandfather and Santa Claus. 7 year old me thought he looked quite old. :hilarious: I think we forget that children sometimes look at the world a bit differently.

I have not said I would be upset if Dreamfinder came back. My pull is Figment. And if done right, one could easily make a ride with Figment without Dreamfinder. The key words there are if done right. Certainly the tone of the current version would have to be toned down. He’s annoying. So is Nigel. Makes for an awful ride. Only the ending scene with the song gets at the spirit of the original, and then only a little.

(But again, if Dreamfinder comes back. All the better. I just don’t personally need him in the ride if the ride is done right.)
The thing is, the ride can’t be done right without the chemistry between the two characters. Dreamfinder’s a mentor, a creator himself, based off the personality of both Walt Disney and Santa Claus. And Figment is a literal embodiment of not just a “figment of Imagination” or creation come to life but he’s supposed to represent the child within us all with unbridled curiosity and a desire to learn about creating new things. That’s why you need both. Add that in with the whole aspect of exploring each creative realm where we can use and take those abilities further and that’s what makes the ride.

What most people don’t understand about the current attraction. Is the entire premise behind the ride is mocking the controversy of Journey Into YOUR Imagination, “Bringing Figment Back”, the “ Friends of Figment” and their persistent “interfering”. Hence why Figment’s characterized that way.’They portray “free-thinking” imagination as causing mischief and “thinking upside down”, and Dr. Channing’s captured, controlled, “thinking within the box”, scientific way of thinking (ironically, not even imagination. 5 Senses is *Perception*. How your mind perceives the world around you, not how you create new things by mixing ideas you’re inspired by in unique ways to create new things. You can even google this) being constantly interrupted. That was the entire intention behind it.
The whole view behind it was they knew fans of Figment would obviously root for Figment, as he was back, *and* see him as the good guy simply “proving that awful character we hate that replaced Dreamfinder wrong” in the end. But that people who had no prior knowledge of the previous versions would instead empathize with Channing “who’s just trying to do his Institute open house tour”, but with that “pest” Figment interrupting him. The whole intention was to try and make Figment unpopular enough to get rid of him *and* make the fans who “made a big stink” to “make Channing stop his tour“, look bad. “Putting them on blast” in a sense. There ya have it.
Except luckily for us, that massively backfired and people still love Figment, thank god.
 
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Cheekylittlerobot

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Honestly, I'd rather have the Santa like version of Dreamfinder, rather than the young one. I personally think that he's friendly and warm. Also, having him be older will make him less generic; there are already so many generic young, handsome steampunk guys. Making him be older makes him stand out. Just update his look and make him a bit cooler and you're good.

Also, on a side note, as a person who is in a lot of fan groups for things, let me tell you that characters like young Dreamfinder often get lewded into oblivion. Making him sexy is a horrible idea in my opinion. A bit younger is even fine, but not hot, please! Fangirls are the worst and the internet is a very dark place.
 

bubbles1812

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The whole view behind it was they knew fans of Figment would obviously root for Figment and see him as simply “proving that character we hate that’s wrong” in the end. But that people who had no prior knowledge of it would empathize with Channing who’s just trying to do his Institute open house tour. The whole intention was to try and make Figment unpopular enough to get rid of him *and* make the fans who “made a big stink” to “make Channing stop his tour“ look bad. “Putting them on blast” in a sense. There ya have it. Except luckily for us, that backfired and people still love him, thank god.

If that was the case, then they really should have gone with a prettier face. Not the guy from Casper, which was my only reference for him for a while. (That should date me to my ballpark age, haha). Was Brad Pitt available back then? Or George Clooney? At the minimum, they should have made Channing a bit more sympathetic.

I think you’re overblowing things a bit but overall, I’m just teasing you. I do understand what you’re trying to say but I’ll still stick by what I said. I (personally) don’t need Dreamfinder for a good Journey ride but I’d be happy to see him back, all the same, not the least for the people who are fans of him :happy:
 

bubbles1812

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Honestly, I'd rather have the Santa like version of Dreamfinder, rather than the young one. I personally think that he's friendly and warm. Also, having him be older will make him less generic; there are already so many generic young, handsome steampunk guys. Making him be older makes him stand out. Just update his look and make him a bit cooler and you're good.

Also, on a side note, as a person who is in a lot of fan groups for things, let me tell you that characters like young Dreamfinder often get lewded into oblivion. Making him sexy is a horrible idea in my opinion. A bit younger is even fine, but not hot, please! Fangirls are the worst and the internet is a very dark place.
Hey now... Fanboys can be pretty dang bad. And who says boys wouldn’t love a hot Dreamfinder too?

I’m kidding.

The internet is weird and many many things that get lewded out. Or didn’t you see that episode of The Office with the drawing of a certain mouse doing certain things to a certain duck? I agree very much with your point.

A little younger Dreamfinder would be nice. I don’t need Chis Evans playing Dreamfinder... He can just come to my house instead. ;)
 

MisterPenguin

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Honestly, I'd rather have the Santa like version of Dreamfinder, rather than the young one. I personally think that he's friendly and warm. Also, having him be older will make him less generic; there are already so many generic young, handsome steampunk guys. Making him be older makes him stand out. Just update his look and make him a bit cooler and you're good.

Also, on a side note, as a person who is in a lot of fan groups for things, let me tell you that characters like young Dreamfinder often get lewded into oblivion. Making him sexy is a horrible idea in my opinion. A bit younger is even fine, but not hot, please! Fangirls are the worst and the internet is a very dark place.

You think older and larger Dreamfinder will be exempt from Rule 32?
 

Inspired Figment

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If that was the case, then they really should have gone with a prettier face. Not the guy from Casper, which was my only reference for him for a while. (That should date me to my ballpark age, haha). Was Brad Pitt available back then? Or George Clooney? At the minimum, they should have made Channing a bit more sympathetic.
They went with Dr. Channing to tie in with the next-door 4D movie at the time, Honey I Shrunk the Audience. (Based off the then-“popular” “Honey, I Shrunk” film franchise. You could say.. this was the first film IP attraction that invaded Epcot. He was the chairman of the institute in that attraction, hence why they made the entire ride a Honey, I Shrunk the Audience-themed ride.
 

bubbles1812

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They went with Dr. Channing to tie in with the next-door 4D movie at the time, Honey I Shrunk the Audience. (Based off the then-“popular” “Honey, I Shrunk” film franchise. You could say.. this was the first film IP attraction that made it to the parks. He was the chairman of the institute in that attraction, hence why they made the entire ride a Honey, I Shrunk the Audience-themed ride.
I know. I’m well aware of the pavilion’s history. I very much remember Honey I Shrunk the Audience. *Not an idiot* Oh those ‘mice’ made my mom scream...

Nothing says they had to do that though. A peon could have been giving ‘the tour.’ Though it’s here nor there now.
 

trainplane3

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As long as they get the character right, who really cares what he looks like? Give them a blue suit, top hat, long blue pants, black shoes, goggles on the hat (optional), done. The jolly attitude of Dreamfinder is something that most would probably associate with a older guy. If anything does happen this weekend, it wouldn't be the first time either:

 

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