FastPass+ Most Certainly Not Coming Back As It Was

[Bairstow]

Wouldn't the most efficient solution to the attraction capacity problem be to re-introduce the ticket book system, or some online equivalent?

 

[hopemax]

You mean standby pass? I thought they announced that too. Unless you mean that you would show up 2 hours later from a posted 2 hour wait and walk in rather than 1 hour or standby wait and 1 hour of line wait. In that circumstance, any line that has a physical option would be wrecked.

Unless of course all lines were digital... but then nobody knows how long they really are except the mouse.

edit: now I think I understand your post better. 10 pounds of $$$$ in a 5lb bag.

Just in case it was still misunderstood with a re-read.

With FP, Disney told people they should expect a 20 minute queue upon return.

Instead I'm suggesting they come back to expect a 60 minute queue for headliners.

Disney can do this by changing the ratio of Fastpass to standby. Instead of 80/20 maybe it's 50/50. Standby would move faster than it was in 2019 (it wouldn't wreck it like you suggest) because standby has increased allocation, but slower than the no FP option. But unlike Disney's rumored standby pass, plain old standby remains, an option, and there is no paid element.

I would expect a setup like this means fewer people actually choose Fastpass (and would obviously need a new name). The ones that won't will be people who only ever want to wait 20 minutes for headlines (the real elephant in the room). And if the standby is less than 60, you wouldn't have that queue at all.

I admit people wouldn't like it because we've already been conditioned to 20 minutes or less. But from the beginning, when all people knew was standby only. Which is why I titled it like Marvel's "What if" So it's basically just a thought experiment.

 

[phillip9698]

Here is the thing though...when Tron is completed, it will definitely pull guests away from Spsce Mountain because of the novelty and anticipation right next to it. However Space Mountain will still have long periods of 60 minute waits. They doubled in attractions in that confined area of space and it improved bit not enough. Just like when Maelstrom was reimagined into Frozen (which btw is vastly overrated). Nothing was added onto open space sure. But it was a new experience. And Test Track is still always 60 minutee or more.

And there will be a large group of people that will feel their experience is hampered due to...lines.

It's hard to judge how new rides impact wait times elsewhere when disney doesn't run the rides at full capacity all the time. That's the part that throws off comparisons, the ride capacity manipulation.

 

[Waters Back Side]

What I find ironic about this standby pass, that is different then an actual virtual queue is that the far and away most popular ride in the park will still allow you to get on (if you score a boarding group) within minutes for free. It is harder for some people then others to get the boarding group, but this will be the one ride with a "true" virtual queue that acts like it should...come back at a certain time and +/- 10 minutes you are on the ride.

 

[Parker in NYC]

And there will be a large group of people that will feel their experience is hampered due to...lines.

Until those folks stop going to the parks, ain’t gonna matter one bit.

 

[SpykeYs]

Can't wait for Disney to announce the return of FP+ or paid fastpass so we can close this thread.

 

[GhostHost1000]

Can't wait for Disney to announce the return of FP+ or paid fastpass so we can close this thread.

Still a lot of accountants behind the scenes trying to figure out how to suck the most money out of us regardless of the experience given. Then they’ll announce something and the app and website won’t work. Just another Disney day

 

[G00fyDad]

Can't wait for Disney to announce the return of FP+ or paid fastpass so we can close this thread.

That's cute! Like they're going to close this thread. In reality what will wind up happening is the thread will devolve into how much everybody hates the new system. Don't get me wrong, I'll be on here griping right along with everyone else.

 

[Waters Back Side]

That's cute! Like they're going to close this thread. In reality what will wind up happening is the thread will devolve into how much everybody hates the new system. Don't get me wrong, I'll be on here griping right along with everyone else.

Somebody on this thread will also get some props for being right about everything within a few details. There have been so many what ifs, or they should do it this way etc. That should be fun also lol.

 

[G00fyDad]

Somebody on this thread will also get some props for being right about everything within a few details. There have been so many what ifs, or they should do it this way etc. That should be fun also lol.

Good point.

 

[DisneyCane]

Wouldn't the most efficient solution to the attraction capacity problem be to re-introduce the ticket book system, or some online equivalent?

For all intents and purposes, that's what the paid FP system will end up being, especially for the headliner E-tickets that don't have nearly enough hourly capacity.

 

[G00fyDad]

For all intents and purposes, that's what the paid FP system will end up being, especially for the headliner E-tickets that don't have nearly enough hourly capacity.

Your comment is based off a wild rumor that may or may not even come close to be what really happens.

 

[Po'Rich]

Forgive me as I’m still catching up in here so if someone responded to this already I apologize but enlighten me. What “perks”exactly still remain for those “coveted” blue cards….#askingforafriend. I’m going to go with 2 maybe 3 and wouldn’t call them perks nor would I say they’ve been active since pre-covid

As you know, it's not much right now, but there are still dining and merchandise discounts. And at Vero Beach, you can save $2 beach chair rentals!

 

[JD80]

I was also one of those planners. I loved FP+ at 60 days. Set up three fastpasses for the morning after rope drop times. Goto lunch, then refresh whatever was available. I have small kids so teacups and mermaid and dumbo were all great choices for us.

The way I vacation, and the way my brain works is that I like to get all the decisions done before I go so I don't have to stress out about where to eat or where I'm going any particular day. I have three kids, a wife and a mother who comes on vacation with us. Waking up and hitting the parks with no plan would be a disaster - just based on paralysis of options.

If I were a solo traveler, or without kids going with a significant other or friends maybe I wouldn't care as much and want spontaneity. But the money I'm spending going down there, the only way I can relax is if I know I'm going to get the experience I want by making sure I plan it out.

Now my plans are very loose outside of dining options and fastpasses (now parkpasses). I do spreadsheets, but only for a visual. Once I go, I don't bring the spreadsheet.

That's how I do Disney, don't care how any one else does if they like it their way.

I can be upset and greedy about FP because it works for me. But I can also be upset with Disney at the same time for not reinvesting in their own parks to increase ride capacity and keep attractions working.

Doesn't have to be a black and white argument.

 

[dreday3]

I've decided I'm hoping they wait until after October to do anything.

We have the luxury of being there for 9 full park days. We are also all adults. So I'm okay with lines of 30 -70 minutes. Obviously not for every ride, but definitely will wait 60-70 for Slinky or Railway or Rat....
And we've never minded a 30 minute wait, that's nothing. The CTA takes longer than that in the morning and it's only taking me to work.

At this point I'd rather not deal with the hassle, money, whatever of a new system before we go.

(I realize with this post I've pretty much guaranteed the new system starts 10/1).

 

[homerdance]

Interesting error I got this morning

 

[Missing20K]

Fine Disney, you win. Give me paid FP or whatever because my time is seriously more valuable than a 3 hour wait for a theme park attraction (and I love theme park attractions) after spending $10,000. Take my extra $10/pp or whatever and let me live my life.

 

[dreday3]

Fine Disney, you win. Give me paid FP or whatever because my time is seriously more valuable than a 3 hour wait for a theme park attraction (and I love theme park attractions) after spending $10,000. Take my extra $10/pp or whatever and let me live my life.

I think Touring Plans line app is better. They give more accurate wait times.

Also, I just plan to track for a while before we go and see the patterns for wait times. Some lines that are very long right now definitely go down later in the day.

 

[Missing20K]

I think Touring Plans line app is better. They give more accurate wait times.

Also, I just plan to track for a while before we go and see the patterns for wait times. Some lines that are very long right now definitely go down later in the day.

I don’t have time to track patterns before we leave. I barely have time to plan as much as Disney basically forces you too, particularly with any party over 4.

There is certainly other stuff to do at this time, but if you found yourself in Pandora then you either wait, or go somewhere else and have to come back to an unknown wait time. Just unfortunate to have to scramble around the park in an attempt to avoid long lines.

ETA: do you share your tracking patterns with the forum? Because that would be awesome if you.

ETA2: thanks for the tip on the touring plans app

 

[dreday3]

I don’t have time to track patterns before we leave. I barely have time to plan as much as Disney basically forces you too, particularly with any party over 4.

There is certainly other stuff to do at this time, but if you found yourself in Pandora then you either wait, or go somewhere else and have to come back to an unknown wait time. Just unfortunate to have to scramble around the park in an attempt to avoid long lines.

ETA: do you share your tracking patterns with the forum? Because that would be awesome if you.

ETA2: thanks for the tip on the touring plans app

You don't have to do anything, just sharing what I plan to do in case it would be helpful.

Enjoy your trip!