FastPass+ Most Certainly Not Coming Back As It Was

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larryz

larryz

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ParentsOf4 said:
Since the number of hotel rooms has some bearing on what Disney might be able to offer with the FP+ replacement, here's what I have for the number of rooms that previously had access to Extra Magic Hours:
  • Disney Deluxe Villas (a.k.a. DVC): 3904 to 5448 (depends on how lock-offs are booked)
  • Disney Deluxe Resorts: 4979
  • Disney Moderate Resorts: 7385
  • Disney Value Resorts: 10,408
  • Disney Campsites: 800
  • Disney Good Neighbor Hotels: 8529
Total: 36,005 to 37,549
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PLUS all the off-site people they let hang around to shop and dine...
 
MickeyLuv'r

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G00fyDad said:
It's cute that you think people are not having to plan everything out. Just because FP+ is not back in place it does not mean that people do not have to plan everything every day. Dining, parties, park selections, park hopping, small things like Oga's, Savi's, BBB, etc.
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Generally, I don't plan everything out at any park. I especially don't plan much of any part of my day at Universal, except I generally try to be at the parks close to rope drop. This is especially true when staying onsite with have Express pass.

Disney was a slightly different beast. As WDW has squeezed us, we now eat fewer and fewer table service meals. There was a time, when we often decided which park to visit (each morning) based on which bus arrived first. That was the beauty of paper FP. Back then, we could usually get TS with minimal waits and no ADR's.

I have done trips where our days were more rigid: FP, meals, maybe something like a specific event, but we got sick of doing that. If we happened to run into one, we stopped to see it. If not, we did something else. We also decided BBB, Oga's and Savi's are not things we want to do.

A plus of no FP is that visitors now have more flexibility.
 
SirLink

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ParentsOf4 said:
The Walt Disney Company:
  1. Now charges onsite Guests for parking, something that previously was included in the hotel price, effectively increasing the cost of a room by ~5-10%.
  2. Is ending Disney's Magical Express, one of the most popular onsite perks.
  3. Has ended the 60-day advantage onsite Guests had to book FP+ selections.
  4. Has ended the popular Extra Magic Hours and, for most onsite Guests, is replacing it with a 30-minute head start, barely enough time to get into one Standby line before offsite Guests are let into the park.
  5. Increased hotel rack rates by 5.7% in 2021 and 10.6% in 2020.
Frankly, onsite Guests are getting shafted.

Let's compare some Universal and Disney hotel rates (tax included) for mid-March 2022 (i.e. Spring Break):
  • Universal's Endless Summer $172 per night vs. Disney's All-Star Music $217 per night.
  • Universal's Sapphire Falls $275 per night vs. Disney's Port Orleans Riverside (or French Quarter) $353 per night.
  • Universal's Portofino Bay (with unlimited Express Pass all day long!) $541 per night vs. Disney's Grand Floridian (with perhaps 2 extra hours at one theme park late at night) $949 per night.
Corporate Disney better think long and hard about why Guests would continue to pay WDW prices.
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I don't disagree you but Disney has never been good at giving guests a feeling of a 'Deluxe' hotel than those in the 'real' world. The big divergence started to accelerate in the early '00s.

The problem also is when comparing Lowes hotels each one is treated as separate resort can offer their own discount programs and packages and those hotels do charge for the parking.

Disney views being onsite as 'the' perk. Like I remember when staying onsite you had the 'perk' of buying the wristbands to stay 3 hours later in the MK on "E Ride Ticket" nights.

TWDC should use the 50th and the pandemic to reassess of all their over priced travel products.
 
MrPromey

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LittleBuford said:
I was responding to the idea that some unfortunate soul was being deprived of a wonderful time (or, worse still, being forced to endure misery) because I'd managed to nab myself a desirable FP+. It's just silly. No-one who is lucky enough to be in a Disney park can reasonably claim to be having a miserable time. There are plenty of ways to enjoy yourself, even if it means waiting for or skipping certain attractions.
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I'd call that a gross miss-characterization of the point I was trying to make (The one you already have admitted you don't get)

And also, you are the one I said would be miserable - the one bragging about never waiting more than 25 minutes - if everyone else was attempting to use the system the way you do at the same time as you because someone always has to lose and in that scenario, it could just as likely be you as anyone else.

My point there was - you're right, they could do exactly what you do and if they did, what you do would no-longer work.

Would that... make you happy?

Maybe you wouldn't be miserable. Maybe you'd be able to find newfound joy in smelling the flowers in Epcot instead of powering through like you say is your way, today. Maybe you'd stop going and find someplace else to make you happy - I could have been totally off base on that making you miserable, I concede.
 
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flynnibus

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Waters Back Side said:
Okay I'll use a better example...once Tron is complete... the lines will still be long in that park.
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Sure - but for a few reasons
1) the MK is still way behind/overdue for more attraction capacity given the crowds they push in it - incremental bumps don't wipe out the larger deficit
2) TRON is a low capacity ride
3) You can't really compare the impacts during 'new/fresh' periods - what we are talking about here is more once the attraction and park reach a more steady state

New fantasyland was the first real 'growth' in the park in basically 20 years... while many things have reduced, and others have only turned over, and others stagnant.

The park needs attractions of length that people want to do. Unfortunately TRON is not length nor is it high capacity. So it's an example of probably creating more load then gain.
 
SirLink

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ImperfectPixie said:
They are...they're using them to figure out how to bilk us all out of MORE money.
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They are pushing on people to see what they can get away with. The problem is the people who didn't holiday in 2020 might have one last splurge in either 21/22 before they tighten their purses for a decade maybe. But its also up to individuals to not give Disney their money if they think its expensive. Only when occupancy rates post pandemic go into the gutter will they re-evaluate the offering/prices/charges etc.
 
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MrPromey said:
No argument here.

I've been saying since the start that Disney needs more than a system to shuffle people around to fix their capacity issues.

I just don't see where they have any motive to do much since they now have the potential ability to charge their highest paying customers for a solution that's essentially free for Disney.

If they lose some of the lower paying customers - all the better when it comes to dealing with their crowding, right?
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I hate to agree but I think thats exactly what TWDC has planned. Its always been crazy to me that it took soooo long to add new attractions to any of the WDW parks. Look how fast Hagrids and Veloci COaster went up at Uni. Not to mention how long HP stuff took compared to Pandora......
 
LittleBuford

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MrPromey said:
I'd call that a gross miss-characterization of the point I was trying to make (The one you already have admitted you don't get)

And also, you are the one I said would be miserable - the one bragging about never waiting more than 25 minutes - if everyone else was attempting to use the system the way you do at the same time as you because someone always has to lose and in that scenario, it could just as likely be you as anyone else.

My point there was - you're right, they could do exactly what you do and if they did, what you do would no-longer work.

That doesn't mean you need to feel guilty about being able to work it because nobody is expecting you to not act in your own best interest but there are things Disney could have done along the way to reduce the stress on the entire system and all guests, including even you who was completely happy.

They could have done that along with FP+.

They didn't.
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You must be confusing me with someone else, because I've never bragged about not waiting more than 25 minutes. All I've said is that I enjoyed and benefitted from FP+.

While I don't fully understand the point you've been trying to make, I don't believe I've grossly mischaracterised the tone of your rhetoric. Indeed, I simply repeated the terms and concepts that you yourself introduced.

At any rate, I'm here to discuss, not argue. I didn't mean to cause any offence.
 
ImperfectPixie

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SirLink said:
They are pushing on people to see what they can get away with. The problem is the people who didn't holiday in 2020 might have one last splurge in either 21/22 before they tighten their purses for a decade maybe. But its also up to individuals to not give Disney their money if they think its expensive. Only when occupancy rates post pandemic go into the gutter will they re-evaluate the offering/prices/charges etc.
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This is why I think the choices they're making are the equivalent of shooting themselves in the foot.

I know more than a few people who will re-evaluate their Disney trips if the paid FP goes anything like what people are saying it will.
 
SirLink

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ImperfectPixie said:
This is why I think the choices they're making are the equivalent of shooting themselves in the foot.

I know more than a few people who will re-evaluate their Disney trips if the paid FP goes anything like what people are saying it will.
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Well not just that DPA, Genie, Genie+ ... oh and have heard that DPA may be coming to water parks. Enjoy.
 
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