FastPass+ Most Certainly Not Coming Back As It Was

[pdude81]

Ugh....I thought we were going to get something today!! Every Tuesday and every Friday I wait and wait and wait. I just want to know!!

Today is runDisney registration and Oogie Boogie Bash registration so they might not want to get too crazy.

But given that the wait times with fewer people rival what they were with Fastpass before closure in this time period, they need to either open up all available attractions or get on with the ransom in Florida.

I don't remember them even announcing a timeline for DPA in Paris. Did it drop immediately with an app update or is it "Coming Soon"?

 

[Magic Feather]

There are 8 lines 70 or more minutes as we speak. 6 are 75 mins or more. 5 are 80 or more. 2 of them are 90 and 135 minutes (FOP).

Question...what's your excuse right now FP haters?

The “excuse” is two-fold.

1) The parks still have a lot of “filler” offering shuttered. Things like most of DHS’s shows not being up are effectively making the only things to do these things with lines, sending more people into attractions.

2) Speaking of more people, attendance levels right now are sustainably high. Disney has even been upping capacity numbers without increasing offerings. Because of this, crowds are higher than where they were w/FP (on average), with fewer offerings, forcing people into lines.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Your comment is based off a wild rumor that may or may not even come close to be what really happens.

Well, technically, the over 5,500 posts in this thread are based on wild rumors...

 

[MisterPenguin]

There are 8 lines 70 or more minutes as we speak. 6 are 75 mins or more. 5 are 80 or more. 2 of them are 90 and 135 minutes (FOP).

Question...what's your excuse right now FP haters?

Yeah, but it's two hours that you're always moving, so, totally fine!!!

 

[TiggerDad]

Anyone else think there is no way Standby Pass will come to WDW? To me if they did that then they'd have to get rid of the park hopping ticket because you'd never know when your return window would be nor how long you're actually going to be in line.
Also what if you're in line for another attraction and you miss your return window.

Standby Pass is a way to wait in a long standby line without physically being in the line. If you choose to go get in line for a different attraction and end up missing the call back to the first one, you lose your place in line. So you just need to decide which line is more important to be in, kind of like how you decide that constantly already.

If you decide to hop to a different park, that would presumably mean that you've given up on waiting in the first line. This is not intended to be a comprehensive scheduling mechanism. It's a way to digitally wait in a really long line.

 

[RobbinsDad]

The “excuse” is two-fold.

1) The parks still have a lot of “filler” offering shuttered. Things like most of DHS’s shows not being up are effectively making the only things to do these things with lines, sending more people into attractions.

2) Speaking of more people, attendance levels right now are sustainably high. Disney has even been upping capacity numbers without increasing offerings. Because of this, crowds are higher than where they were w/FP (on average), with fewer offerings, forcing people into lines.

More eloquently than I was going to say it. Nothing to do but rides and shopping. Say what you will about the entertainment value of shows and parades, but they were people suckers.

 

[Waters Back Side]

Standby Pass is a way to wait in a long standby line without physically being in the line. If you choose to go get in line for a different attraction and end up missing the call back to the first one, you lose your place in line. So you just need to decide which line is more important to be in, kind of like how you decide that constantly already.

If you decide to hop to a different park, that would presumably mean that you've given up on waiting in the first line. This is not intended to be a comprehensive scheduling mechanism. It's a way to digitally wait in a really long line.

When it's time to return to the ride you were in the stand by line for to do you have to physically wait at that point?

 

[LittleBuford]

When it's time to return to the ride you were in the stand by line for to do you have to physically wait at that point?

My understanding is that you do.

 

[hopemax]

There are 8 lines 70 or more minutes as we speak. 6 are 75 mins or more. 5 are 80 or more. 2 of them are 90 and 135 minutes (FOP).

Question...what's your excuse right now FP haters?

Think about what you are actually saying.

The ride is so jam, packed full, you are NOT IN THE STANDBY LINE and there is no way you would ever be, correct?

But you want Disney to make it that you can STILL RIDE THE RIDE, correct?

And with only a 20 minute wait.

Where does the room for you come from? Are there empty seats now, with that 135 wait, in order to shove you in there?

Do you have a spouse, family? Are there other people who right want to be shoved in there too?

Now the number of people trying to shove themselves on the ride is everyone managing to ride the ride this way +1 (you) + 2 (family) + [unknown amount of other people on WDWMagic who would do this too].

And this is supposed to happen without creating a negative experience for everyone that is still managing to ride the ride.

Please explain how you accomplish this magical feat without making the wait time longer for someone, or outright taking their spot?

 

[pdude81]

More eloquently than I was going to say it. Nothing to do but rides and shopping. Say what you will about the entertainment value of shows and parades, but they were people suckers.

Indy chews up a lot of people for that half hour.

 

[Waters Back Side]

Think about what you are actually saying.

The ride is so jam, packed full, you are NOT IN THE STANDBY LINE and there is no way you would ever be, correct?

But you want Disney to make it that you can STILL RIDE THE RIDE, correct?

And with only a 20 minute wait.

Where does the room for you come from? Are there empty seats now, with that 135 wait, in order to shove you in there?

Do you have a spouse, family? Are there other people who right want to be shoved in there too?

Now the number of people trying to shove themselves on the ride is everyone managing to ride the ride this way +1 (you) + 2 (family) + [unknown amount of other people on WDWMagic who would do this too].

And this is supposed to happen without creating a negative experience for everyone that is still managing to ride the ride.

Please explain how you accomplish this magical feat without making the wait time longer for someone, or outright taking their spot?

Answer: by implementing a line management system.

My post was to elaborate how bad one is needed and to prove wrong whoever thinks that just stand by lines is the way to go.

 

[hopemax]

Answer: by implementing a line management system.

My post was to elaborate how bad one is needed and to prove wrong whoever thinks that just stand by lines is the way to go.

No. That's not how it works. Line management systems do not add ride capacity. You can not have a ride that has 13,000 seats and have 13,000 people going through a standby line filling all the seats AND have a seat for you not to.

Explain where the seat for you comes from. In detail.

 

[Waters Back Side]

No. That's not how it works. Line management systems do not add ride capacity. You can not have a ride that has 13,000 seats and have 13,000 people going through a standby line filling all the seats AND have a seat for you not to.

Explain where the seat for you comes from. In detail.

Line management is not meant to add ride capacity. Its actually meant to reduce it lol. Spread people around over multiple lines.

Are you actually willing to tell me that WDW does not need to put in place any kind of line management? This has nothing to do with whether it's free or not.

 

[hopemax]

So I'm looking at the app and FOP is back down to the 115 minutes that it has been typically showing. So for the 165 wait I would guess

1. A theater was not operating at ride opening, but is now
2. Disney was lying about the return time to get people to do something else
3. The Harry Potter phenomenon where everyone rushes at opening, because they are conditioned to do that, when the smarter strategy is let other people rush, but later arrivals aren't so voluminous to sustain that high level.

 

[Basil of Baker Street]

There are 8 lines 70 or more minutes as we speak. 6 are 75 mins or more. 5 are 80 or more. 2 of them are 90 and 135 minutes (FOP).

Question...what's your excuse right now FP haters?

But you're moving so it's not really that long..

 

[Chi84]

So I'm looking at the app and FOP is back down to the 115 minutes that it has been typically showing. So for the 165 wait I would guess

1. A theater was not operating at ride opening, but is now
2. Disney was lying about the return time to get people to do something else
3. The Harry Potter phenomenon where everyone rushes at opening, because they are conditioned to do that, when the smarter strategy is let other people rush, but later arrivals aren't so voluminous to sustain that high level.

WDW needs some kind of line reservation system. There are a lot of people who prefer that to standing in a 115 minute wait. That's why they exist at every major theme park. Standby only would probably work for some, but I don't think that system is ever coming back in a permanent fashion. In my opinion, it's as dead as FP+.

 

[hopemax]

Like management is not meant to add ride capacity. Its actually meant to reduce it lol. Spread people around over multiple lines.

Are you actually willing to tell me that WDW does not need to put in place any kind of line management? This has nothing to do with whether it's free or not.

You still have not answered where your seat comes from, when previously seats were going out full, without you being one of them.

No, I do not believe that WDW needs to be giving people unwilling to wait 135 minutes the ability to ride for 20 minutes or less. Prioritizing their experience over those who are. Both groups spend a ton of money.

If WDW is only giving their line management system spaces to the people who are already in that 135 minute line, then that's another story.

But I don't believe that is what happens. The reason the old systems got jammed up is because the frequency FP spots were going to people who never, under any circumstances would have been in that standby line.

And I'm asking what makes them so much more important than those who were.

 

[hopemax]

WDW needs some kind of line reservation system. There are a lot of people who prefer that to standing in a 115 minute wait. That's why they exist at every major theme park. Standby only would probably work for some, but I don't think that system is ever coming back in a permanent fashion. In my opinion, it's as dead as FP+.

You get the same question. If there is no way that you would ever be in that line, and there is already no empty spaces. Where does the space for YOU come from?

 

[flynnibus]

When it's time to return to the ride you were in the stand by line for to do you have to physically wait at that point?

Yes, it's a deferral model - it is not a 'line skip'

It's a way to say "don't wait now, come back later and wait then".

 

[flynnibus]

There are a lot of people who prefer that to standing in a 115 minute wait. That's why they exist at every major theme park

They exist at every major theme park because they realized line-skipping was something of value they could monetize.