FastPass+ Most Certainly Not Coming Back As It Was

[Jeff4272]

Another wacky idea:

Open the parks at 8:00 am for on-site guests. Open at noon for off-site. Close at 10:00 pm for off site. Close at Midnight for on-site.

Too wacky.....Most people don't go early, especially the onsite guests.....they are on vacation and want to sleep in.............the only reason people get up early is to try and beat the lines.....why not just give them that option whatever time they want to go? That was called FP+

 

[Waters Back Side]

Another wacky idea:

Open the parks at 8:00 am for on-site guests. Open at noon for off-site. Close at 10:00 pm for off site. Close at Midnight for on-site.

I could live with this if it was evening hours. According to some though, this basically tells the off site guests to scram and is a slap in the face. No matter what anyone suggests, someone is always going to have an answer.

The only truth is people will not continue to show up over and over forever despite what some think. Eventually people can only take so much before enough is enough. I want 3 free or a deal that makes it worth buying line skips. Do not turn FP into a separate entity of my vacation, force me into buying it and not adding any sweeteners to it. Give me a reason to buy it.

 

[kong1802]

you need more math lessons it seems before we get to the coloring. Let’s go through it.

650 points cost $68,000. Dues for 11 years $28,000. Stay with me now. Here’s where it gets tough

20 trips = not sure what cost to assign? Let’s say Disney would have given me free trips every year so they were worth zero

$68,000+28,000= $96,000

Today’s value @ $150 per = $96,000

That’s break even plus 20 trips!

Yeah I bet you’re glad you didn’t spend like I did!

Here’s a math problem that comes to mind. Below is an equation showing how many care about your “plight”:

0+0= ?

 

[Jeff4272]

Here’s a math problem that comes to mind. Below is an equation showing how many care about your “plight”:

0+0= ?

Ummmm This has nothing to do with my plight or with you for that matter......

it was in response to counter a point made by another poster who was incorrectly assuming a fact so i presented facts to counter the argument........

save your rude comments for someone else

 

[kong1802]

Ummmm This has nothing to do with my plight or with you for that matter......

it was in response to counter a point made by another poster who was incorrectly assuming a fact so i presented facts to counter the argument........

save your rude comments for someone else

Like how you can teach to color in the lines?

That kind of rudeness?

 

[Jeff4272]

Like how you can teach to color in the lines?

That kind of rudeness?

Yeah that........You weren't part of that conversation.........

 

[kong1802]

Yeah that........You weren't part of that conversation.........

Well because you posted it here unfortunately we all were….

 

[ParentsOf4]

Since the number of hotel rooms has some bearing on what Disney might be able to offer with the FP+ replacement, here's what I have for the number of rooms that previously had access to Extra Magic Hours:

• Disney Deluxe Villas (a.k.a. DVC): 3904 to 5448 (depends on how lock-offs are booked)
• Disney Deluxe Resorts: 4979
• Disney Moderate Resorts: 7385
• Disney Value Resorts: 10,408
• Disney Campsites: 800
• Disney Good Neighbor Hotels: 8529

Total: 36,005 to 37,549

Universal Deluxe Hotels with Express Pass: 2400

 

[ctrlaltdel]

Since the number of hotel rooms has some bearing on what Disney might be able to offer with the FP+ replacement, here's what I have for the number of rooms that previously had access to Extra Magic Hours:

• Disney Deluxe Villas (a.k.a. DVC): 3904 to 5448 (depends on how lock-offs are booked)
• Disney Deluxe Resorts: 4979
• Disney Moderate Resorts: 7385
• Disney Value Resorts: 10,408
• Disney Campsites: 800
• Disney Good Neighbor Hotels: 8529

Total: 36,005 to 37,549

Universal Deluxe Hotels with Express Pass: 2400

Always mind-boggling how many hotel rooms Disney has on-site. Would be top 20 in the US for metro regions by itself I believe.

 

[Waters Back Side]

Since the number of hotel rooms has some bearing on what Disney might be able to offer with the FP+ replacement, here's what I have for the number of rooms that previously had access to Extra Magic Hours:

• Disney Deluxe Villas (a.k.a. DVC): 3904 to 5448 (depends on how lock-offs are booked)
• Disney Deluxe Resorts: 4979
• Disney Moderate Resorts: 7385
• Disney Value Resorts: 10,408
• Disney Campsites: 800
• Disney Good Neighbor Hotels: 8529

Total: 36,005 to 37,549

Universal Deluxe Hotels with Express Pass: 2400

Great job posting these numbers. Especially if it were to impact any decision by Disney regarding Fast Pass availability and price/included.

 

[MJM]

I don't think it is all that sad. If you went back to 1999 and asked if people though Fastpass would be around forever, I think everyone would have laughed at you. Fastpass as it was originally launched was a compromise between the old and the new, and trying to solution for the age-old problem of having to wait in a long line. Flash forward 20 years later and people are still waiting in long lines and Fastpass hasn't really solved anything. The real problem is, people grew to REALLY LIKE IT for some inexplicable reason.

Disney could have/should have gone to a completely virtual queue system by now, but they've been loathed to make changes to the system that everyone likes so much.

Personally, I think this is long overdue.

This makes no sense. FP solved my long line waits every summer for the last decade. And many others like me. So of course we “grew to REALLY LIKE IT.” I never waited longer than 25 mins for anything including FOP and all other major attractions. Who wouldn’t like that? How does that translate to FP not “solving anything”? We are set to go next month and I am fairly certain without FP we will be waiting in hour+ long waits day in and out and will leave WDW saying no way are we doing that again. I know we won’t be the only ones feeling this way

 

[MrPromey]

Since the number of hotel rooms has some bearing on what Disney might be able to offer with the FP+ replacement, here's what I have for the number of rooms that previously had access to Extra Magic Hours:

• Disney Deluxe Villas (a.k.a. DVC): 3904 to 5448 (depends on how lock-offs are booked)
• Disney Deluxe Resorts: 4979
• Disney Moderate Resorts: 7385
• Disney Value Resorts: 10,408
• Disney Campsites: 800
• Disney Good Neighbor Hotels: 8529

Total: 36,005 to 37,549

Universal Deluxe Hotels with Express Pass: 2400

And worth noting of the onsite rooms, the largest group are in the "value" category which of course, can only be called value based on pricing in the Disney bubble, followed next by Good Neighbor with prices starting below Disney's idea of "value".

Point being, over half of all rooms go to people that are in some way budget-minded (I'd include DVC in this group since the biggest selling point of DVC is used to be about locking in a good price for staying on-site with higher up-front cost and long-term comitment.)

The fact that value is the largest single segment available by a huge margin seems to indicate that Disney knows who their largest segment of visitors are, even if they're apparently in denial about it.

 

[LittleBuford]

This makes no sense. FP solved my long line waits every summer for the last decade. And many others like me. So of course we “grew to REALLY LIKE IT.” I never waited longer than 25 mins for anything including FOP and all other major attractions. Who wouldn’t like that? How does that translate to FP not “solving anything”? We are set to go next month and I am fairly certain without FP we will be waiting in hour+ long waits day in and out and will leave WDW saying no way are we doing that again. I know we won’t be the only ones feeling this way

There’s a school of thought (well represented in this thread) that says that those of us who feel positively about FP+ have been hoodwinked by Disney and can’t possibly have experienced what we claim to have experienced.

It baffles me too.

 

[Jrb1979]

There’s a school of thought (well represented in this thread) that says that those of us who feel positively about FP+ have been hoodwinked by Disney and can’t possibly have experienced what we claim to have experienced.

It baffles me too.

For many FP+ worked. You got your 3 rides per day, didn't have to rope drop and you got to plan out days at Disney.

It never worked for me. I'm not a huge planner for vacations as I do enough of that at home. I am also a firm believer that FP isn't about being fair to everyone and it needs to be more limited. The biggest one is if I am going to vacation where I sleep in everyday, a theme park is not it.

What really amazes me is the amount of people who spend all that money to go the parks for half a day or just go to the parks to eat and not ride anything. For me it makes no financial sense.

 

[bcoachable]

I witnessed, first hand yesterday, an interesting and relevant situation while waiting in stand by for MMRR. Posted time, 40 minutes. Line was clipping along. Then it literally stopped just as we entered the Chinese Theater. We witnessed the fast pass line fill - and I mean fill. Like over 30 groups… I looked over to try and figure out why. A CM was there to check reasons for people to be allowed to use this line - like passes for the Disability Line Option or Parent swap or guided tours( I could overhear). Everyone had a reason to be there (apparently). The frustration level between a moving line and one that stops, no matter what the reason was incredible to see among the guests who were in line. I feel for CM’s who will get to explain to “regular” guests who do not have/want to spend cash to cut line- that there is a way to “pay to play”. (Side note, is there not any checks and balance system on disability requests? Honest question, not meant to belittle legit disabilities at all- I love that Disney offers this as an option for legit disability guests)

 

[LittleBuford]

For many FP+ worked. You got your 3 rides per day, didn't have to rope drop and you got to plan out days at Disney.

It never worked for me. I'm not a huge planner for vacations as I do enough of that at home. I am also a firm believer that FP isn't about being fair to everyone and it needs to be more limited. The biggest one is if I am going to vacation where I sleep in everyday, a theme park is not it.

I hear you and respect what you’re saying, and I thank you for acknowledging that FP+ did indeed work for many of us (though a point of correction: I got many more than three rides a day using the system).

 

[LittleBuford]

I witnessed, first hand yesterday, an interesting and relevant situation while waiting in stand by for MMRR. Posted time, 40 minutes. Line was clipping along. Then it literally stopped just as we entered the Chinese Theater. We witnessed the fast pass line fill - and I mean fill. Like over 30 groups… I looked over to try and figure out why. A CM was there to check reasons for people to be allowed to use this line - like passes for the Disability Line Option or Parent swap or guided tours( I could overhear). Everyone had a reason to be there (apparently). The frustration level between a moving line and one that stops, no matter what the reason was incredible to see among the guests who were in line. I feel for CM’s who will get to explain to “regular” guests who do not have/want to spend cash to cut line- that there is a way to “pay to play”. (Side note, is there not any checks and balance system on disability requests? Honest question, not meant to belittle legit disabilities at all- I love that Disney offers this as an option for legit disability guests)

Did you end up waiting more than the posted 40 minutes?

 

[bcoachable]

Did you end up waiting more than the posted 40 minutes?
Yes- we waited forever as the CM’s cleared the “FP” line out. Wait time inside the theater was about fifteen- total time was approaching 60.

 

[LittleBuford]

What really amazes me is the amount of people who spend all that money to go the parks for half a day or just go to the parks to eat and not ride anything. For me it makes no financial sense.

You added this after my initial reply. It isn’t how I would do Disney either, but as I said in my response to @flynnibus yesterday, there are multiple ways of deriving enjoyment from a Disney holiday (or any holiday for that matter). The problem is that too many assume that their way is the only (right) way.

 

[LittleBuford]

Did you end up waiting more than the posted 40 minutes?
Yes- we waited forever as the CM’s cleared the “FP” line out. Wait time inside the theater was about fifteen- total time was approaching 60.

That’s unfortunate. I thought perhaps they’d already factored the FP line in.