FastPass+ Most Certainly Not Coming Back As It Was

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Ah yeah. You know what’s amateur? The fact you can’t count.

open this and count for me and then let me know what you think JV team

Help

Help

disneyworld.disney.go.com

You don’t know anything about wdw…if you’re gonna stick with this…

i’m quite confident I can break down the resort operation…

lol…you posting “Disney.go.com”

wow…night and day that “copper creek”
And that “Boulder ridge” and that “wilderness lodge”

it’s tough to spit and hit all 3 from the same spot

 

[Jeff4272]

Do you understand that all but 2 - now 3 - are Add-ons to existing hotels to Combine services? And that several were conversions that LOST regular rooms for DVC?

this is like wdw/ DVC amateur hour

Let me help you.

6+5+8+12 = what?

You only get 3 guesses!

I’ll give you a bonus guess if you get close on the first 3!

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Let me help you.

6+5+8+12 = what? You only get 3 guesses!

Just stop…I get you spent too much on dvc…don’t do this “I think there all are
Unique” nonsense…please…no openings in the Praetorian right now

and fastpass + is still going bye bye

Disneyworld.Disney.go.com

the go makes me laugh all the time…and you know why?

 

[Jeff4272]

Just stop…I get you spent too much on dvc…don’t do this “I think there all are
Unique” nonsense…please…no openings in the Praetorian right now

and fastpass + is still going bye bye

Wrong!

You were close

not really but I feel bad for you so will give you one more guess! Go ahead.

I’ll give you a hint. 6+5=11 and 8 +12=20

Now just add those 2!

one more try!

 

[Jeff4272]

Wrong!

You were close

not really but I feel bad for you so will give you one more guess! Go ahead.

I’ll give you a hint. 6+5=11 and 8 +12=20

Now just add those 2!

one more try!

Come on! You can do it! Grab an abacus. I’ll allow you to cheat. Seems like you need the help!

Another hint. 11+20=3?

 

[Jeff4272]

Come on! You can do it! Grab an abacus. I’ll allow you to cheat. Seems like you need the help!

Another hint. 11+20=3?

31!!!!

Yea. You are correct! 31 is the answer.

Good job!

You finally got it!

I’m proud of you Sir!

tomorrow we are going to work on coloring between the lines!

 

[Jeff4272]

Just stop…I get you spent too much on dvc…don’t do this “I think there all are
Unique” nonsense…please…no openings in the Praetorian right now

and fastpass + is still going bye bye

Disneyworld.Disney.go.com

the go makes me laugh all the time…and you know why

you need more math lessons it seems before we get to the coloring. Let’s go through it.

650 points cost $68,000. Dues for 11 years $28,000. Stay with me now. Here’s where it gets tough

20 trips = not sure what cost to assign? Let’s say Disney would have given me free trips every year so they were worth zero

$68,000+28,000= $96,000

Today’s value @ $150 per = $96,000

That’s break even plus 20 trips!

Yeah I bet you’re glad you didn’t spend like I did!

 

[Jrb1979]

you need more math lessons it seems before we get to the coloring. Let’s go through it.

650 points cost $68,000. Dues for 11 years $28,000. Stay with me now. Here’s where it gets tough

20 trips = not sure what cost to assign? Let’s say Disney would have given me free trips every year so they were worth zero

$68,000+28,000= $96,000

Today’s value @ $150 per = $96,000

That’s break even plus 20 trips!

Yeah I bet you’re glad you didn’t spend like I did!

If you can afford that then paid FP shouldn't be a problem.

 

[Jeff4272]

If you can afford that then paid FP shouldn't be a problem.

I’m not paying for FP anymore. I did twice and it wasnt worth it. You didn’t even need 6 FP in AK or Epcot. I’m too cheap. There was a tremendous value in my DVC purchases as you can tell by the math. There none in paid FP, especially when it used to be free.

we will be moving on from Disney (for the most part, will still do a day per trip) but I’m sure there will be plenty willing to take my place.

 

[Jeff4272]

So how many would you say, total?

and 10 nights in that room? Ok…I didn’t know you were that much of hard-o…

good gawd, just amusement parks.

now I know why you’re so adamant about the pre-booked fast passes…

the place is your Graceland! You can afford it…buy the fastpasses

will go nicely when they Jack your premier pass

And my username is a hint. jeff 04/02/72 was first visit

 

[Jrb1979]

I’m not paying for FP. I’m too cheap. There was a tremendous value in my DVC purchases as you can tell by the math. There none in paid FP, especially when it used to be free.

we will be moving on from Disney (for the most part, will still do a day per trip) but I’m sure there will be plenty willing to take my place.

For me there is a lot of value in paid FP especially if they change it more of a Maxpass system where it's day of. There would be more availability since I rope drop. I rarely stay on site and hate planning my day ahead of time. I do that enough at home.

 

[Jeff4272]

For me there is a lot of value in paid FP especially if they change it more of a Maxpass system where it's day of. There would be more availability since I rope drop. I rarely stay on site and hate planning my day ahead of time. I do that enough at home.

That would be great for you I agree. It wouldn’t be great for the guests of the 36 hotels they are trying to fill

 

[Jrb1979]

That would be great for you I agree. It wouldn’t be great for the guests of the 36 hotels they are trying for fill

Right now they aren't having an issue filling them. This past year people have shown they don't need perks to come. I think it will last through the 50th. When slow times come free dining will return to help fill rooms. Once paid FP is in place there is no going back to free

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

you need more math lessons it seems before we get to the coloring. Let’s go through it.

650 points cost $68,000. Dues for 11 years $28,000. Stay with me now. Here’s where it gets tough

20 trips = not sure what cost to assign? Let’s say Disney would have given me free trips every year so they were worth zero

$68,000+28,000= $96,000

Today’s value @ $150 per = $96,000

That’s break even plus 20 trips!

Yeah I bet you’re glad you didn’t spend like I did!

That’s great…I love math…

so 11 years? That’s somewhat newbie…but ok.

so you paid an average of $3.91 a point in dues over that time? Pretty good actually…those are the cheapest over that period of any member. Impressive.

I went 3/4 times a year with a third that many points when my kids were in diapers and all the way since…why did i need those points? Am I cooking/laundry?

I said on another thread about people buying repeated DVC to make themselves more proud when the shiny wore off the previous one? Don’t be that guy…the world doesn’t care.

And my username is a hint. jeff 04/02/72 was first visit

But you’ve only gotten older…not so “wise” when it comes to wdw.

You keep requoting Disney sales/stock pr on a hotel count

“copper creek”…the gutted, overpriced northeast wing of wilderness they couldn’t sell and occupancy fell to 50%

 

[rreading]

Customers are not stupid. The Internet makes it easy to comparison shop.

Many visit both WDW and Universal during the same vacation.

IMO, the primary reason to select WDW over Universal was Disney's Magic Express. Get 'free' (actually included in the price) airport transportation and maybe Uber to Universal once or twice. With that gone, why not stay at Universal hotels, which costs much less, get a car rental, and maybe drive to WDW 2 or 3 times?

We visited both recently…took magical express to WDW for a night at our DVC, visited Universal for 2d with the 1 night stay’s express pass covering those 2d…then back to WDW for 2 park days.

I suppose I’m glad to have done Universal once.

But if I had a lifetime pass, I might visit Universal again when it opens its next park just to see it. Maybe. Life’s too short to spend it at Universal.

 

[WannaGoNow]

Universal and Disney are not 1:1 substitutes, and I’m bemused by those insisting that a lost customer for WDW is automatically a gained customer for Universal. Yes, people go to both resorts - I certainly do - but they’re not fungible.

If you are a die hard Harry Potter fan, Pandora is not an adequate substitute.

If your child is a fan of Disney Princesses and insists on wearing a Belle costume daily and watches Frozen on repeat - Cat in the Hat is not an adequate substitute.

Perhaps for amusement park junkies, for whom the allure is being at a park regardless of theme, one park is interchangeable for another, but then why spend money on WDW in the first place? There are plenty of parks with far more thrills per ride at a much lower cost.

 

[pdude81]

I’m not paying for FP anymore. I did twice and it wasnt worth it. You didn’t even need 6 FP in AK or Epcot. I’m too cheap. There was a tremendous value in my DVC purchases as you can tell by the math. There none in paid FP, especially when it used to be free.

we will be moving on from Disney (for the most part, will still do a day per trip) but I’m sure there will be plenty willing to take my place.

Clearly this program is gone right now so it's a moot point, but you didn't have to use all 6 in Epcot or AK. You could have them make your 3 freebies at whatever park and do what you want with the extras. So you could have done FoP, Everest, Safari with the freebies then added on Navi plus Test Track and Frozen at Epcot and watched the fireworks there. Wouldn't be worth it to pay for every day of a long trip but I thought it was useful for the 3 day minimum.

 

[Waters Back Side]

You pay for what you get. This will be my 7th trip in 10 years. The week between Christmas and New Years if there was only standby and no line skipping at all, which is what many have spoken out for, the lines will be an hour or longer on many rides regardless.

So since I'm an extremist, make the deal worth it for me. Instead of paying for 3 rides that I would have walked onto for free previously, charge me 20 dollars a guest. For me that's $100 a night. For my 7 nights its $700.

If I agree, my Epcot day better consist of 4 rides to walk on: choice of Test Track or Soarin AS WELL as choice of Frozen or Remy. In my 2 Epcot says I hit all 4 super headliners.

Otherwise here is the problem..Disney is treating you as if you are rich and willing to pay without sweetening the deal. Rides no longer free? Okay then if you want to act like I have money to burn then give me the best deal and give me the best rides then at a family discont. It doesnt go both ways...you can't drop a bomb on returning guests who pay more for time of year anyway and have them pay for what's always been included and then not make the requirement more intriguing to buy if you want to use fast pass. Sell me your product. What do I get that I never was able to have prior?

I would pay money for something worth it. I'm not gonna spend money on a product that adds no incentive to purchase it. Why the heck would I pay for Soarin? WHY? Because Disney wants to monetize fast pass and attempt to fix lines at the same time? Here is a news flash.. they will never
NEVER be able to completely fix them. No matter what they do the problem will still exist with long lines. If they never bring faat pass back and keep stand by only there will still be problems. So either look to improve it slightly by offering the FP for free with less availability to resort guests OR.. offer them on the other extreme side a HUGE discount to have free realm to walk onto some extra rides. 2 super headliners in a day and 2 base rides or something to that extent.

Otherwise their plan will fail. Long lines will still be prevelant and those that buy line skips with no sweetener will turn away from Disney. For anyone who thinks people will continue to pay no matter what, eventually that will end. People have limits. Eventually Disney thinking they can do whatever they want will backfire.

 

[larryz]

Um...

Googling around, Manhattan's under 23 square miles.

At high or low tide?

 

[larryz]

Wacky idea:

Each day of the week, one of the four parks has a 50% of normal guest cap and each guest is charged twice the normal rate for admission. People who want a lower price and can handle the crowds have three other parks to choose from; those who would like a day to enjoy the attractions with shorter lines and are willing to pay, can. No version of FP needed, at least in the one park that's got the low cap. Resort guests get first dibs on reserving the 'light' park.

Another wacky idea:

Open the parks at 8:00 am for on-site guests. Open at noon for off-site. Close at 10:00 pm for off site. Close at Midnight for on-site.