FastPass+ Most Certainly Not Coming Back As It Was

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Why would TWDC give 'free' front of the line passes to onsite guests, it makes zero sense when the whole aim is to extract more money per guest. TWDC learned the hard way with 'free' Dining packages that they were giving the house to get a little.

The majority of guests who travel to O-Town do not stay on site. They are the people that visit the parks each day of their visit by rental car or by shuttle from their hotels. Is one of the reasons the hotels on 192 did great business pre 03/20.

In the context of this discussion…you are right in that it makes no sense for them to do it

The Walt Disney Company:

1. Now charges onsite Guests for parking, something that previously was included in the hotel price, effectively increasing the cost of a room by ~5-10%.
2. Is ending Disney's Magical Express, one of the most popular onsite perks.
3. Has ended the 60-day advantage onsite Guests had to book FP+ selections.
4. Has ended the popular Extra Magic Hours and, for most onsite Guests, is replacing it with a 30-minute head start, barely enough time to get into one Standby line before offsite Guests are let into the park.
5. Increased hotel rack rates by 5.7% in 2021 and 10.6% in 2020.

Frankly, onsite Guests are getting shafted.

Let's compare some Universal and Disney hotel rates (tax included) for mid-March 2022 (i.e. Spring Break):

• Universal's Endless Summer $172 per night vs. Disney's All-Star Music $217 per night.
• Universal's Sapphire Falls $275 per night vs. Disney's Port Orleans Riverside (or French Quarter) $353 per night.
• Universal's Portofino Bay (with unlimited Express Pass all day long!) $541 per night vs. Disney's Grand Floridian (with perhaps 2 extra hours at one theme park late at night) $949 per night.

Corporate Disney better think long and hard about why Guests would continue to pay WDW prices.

Great numbers…but what does it matter? It only matters if wdw customers new this and started saying “no” in significant numbers…will they?

I have been. And it’s 100% true

If this was implemented in FLA, are you telling me when WDW had paper fast passes and the headline rides were gone 30 mins after opening and now they would make it easier to get them by doing it electronically then they now would not sell out?

I’m telling you maxpass doesn’t fill up at rope drop…not only can you queue much faster than the older fast pass systems…it adjusts in real time without bouncing to the wide open Internet so you can use it consistently though out the day

which is why doing it in the park is pro-customer and prebook isn’t.

 

[Jeff4272]

In the context of this discussion…you are right in that it makes no sense for them to do it

Great numbers…but what does it matter? It only matters if wdw customers new this and started saying “no” in significant numbers…will they?

I’m telling you maxpass doesn’t fill up at rope drop…not only can you queue much faster than the older fast pass systems…it adjusts in real time without bouncing to the wide open Internet so you can use it consistently though out the day

which is why doing it in the park is pro-customer and prebook isn’t.

They got rid of paper FP for this reason alone. By implementing Max Pass it inherently brings back paper FP and takes a step back not forward. That’s like going g from my 5G Apple 12 back to a flip phone just adding an antenna to reach further.

makes no sense

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It’s included in signature and premier passports So AP holders do use it. And 100% they are subject to availability.

have you ever been to DL? Seems obvious you haven’t.

In august 2019 with maxpass, Sunny Jim…and several times before

and how many of the total annuals are the super charged ones? How many are there on a given day?

the legions of standard APs are there…and their attitude on maxpass is “we’ve paid enough and you keep raising the prices on us”

which is the exact opposite of the “can’t wait to get back to the MAGICAL world…only 272 mores days to go!” Wdw crowd.

which is why they’re about to get steamrolled

 

[G00fyDad]

They got rid of paper FP for this reason alone. By implementing Max Pass it inherently brings back paper FP and takes a step back not forward. That’s like going g from my 5G Apple 12 back to a flip phone just adding an antenna to reach further.

makes no sense

Aren't they the same thing?

 

[Jeff4272]

In the context of this discussion…you are right in that it makes no sense for them to do it

Great numbers…but what does it matter? It only matters if wdw customers new this and started saying “no” in significant numbers…will they?

I’m telling you maxpass doesn’t fill up at rope drop…not only can you queue much faster than the older fast pass systems…it adjusts in real time without bouncing to the wide open Internet so you can use it consistently though out the day

which is why doing it in the park is pro-customer and prebook isn’t.

And don’t forget the DL has 52 rides. Epcot has 5. HS has 8. AK has 6.

just makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

They got rid of paper FP for this reason alone. By implementing Max Pass it inherently brings back paper FP and takes a step back not forward. That’s like going g from my 5G Apple 12 back to a flip phone just adding an antenna to reach further.

makes no sense

They’re not bringing maxpass to Orlando…but it’s a great system and messes with all the customers Somewhat little because they still have the paper fastpasses for everyone else.

you’re so desperately looking for a take here you’re spinning like a top.

stop before you drill yourself to China.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

And don’t forget the DL has 52 rides. Epcot has 5. HS has 8. AK has 6.

just makes no sense whatsoever.

Again…no point that Takes management to maintaining fastpass+ for no money in a place ripe for the up charging

 

[G00fyDad]

And don’t forget the DL has 52 rides. Epcot has 5. HS has 8. AK has 6.

just makes no sense whatsoever.

How many of those rides in Disneyland are actually rides and not just a generalized term for attractions?

 

[ParentsOf4]

Great numbers…but what does it matter? It only matters if wdw customers new this and started saying “no” in significant numbers…will they?

Customers are not stupid. The Internet makes it easy to comparison shop.

Many visit both WDW and Universal during the same vacation.

IMO, the primary reason to select WDW over Universal was Disney's Magic Express. Get 'free' (actually included in the price) airport transportation and maybe Uber to Universal once or twice. With that gone, why not stay at Universal hotels, which costs much less, get a car rental, and maybe drive to WDW 2 or 3 times?

 

[WannaGoNow]

They got rid of paper FP for this reason alone. By implementing Max Pass it inherently brings back paper FP and takes a step back not forward. That’s like going g from my 5G Apple 12 back to a flip phone just adding an antenna to reach further.

makes no sense

FastPass kiosks never went away at DLR. The same system as paper is still used (or was before the pandemic), although now your FastPass is loaded onto your ticket/pass at the kiosk and the slip of paper you pull is a reminder of your return time.

Maybe visit DLR first before opining on what MaxPass is or isn’t.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Customers are not stupid. The Internet makes it easy to price out options, while many visit both WDW and Universal during the same vacation.

IMO, the primary reason to select WDW over Universal was Disney's Magic Express. Get 'free' (actually included in the price) airport transportation and maybe Uber to Universal once or twice. With that gone, why not stay at Universal hotels, which costs much less, get a car rental, and maybe drive to WDW 2 or 3 times?

Wdw customers are mostly stupid…

it’s kinda my thing…there’s just too much evidence

I’m sure I’ll snap and do it in 5 sentences on this thread too

 

[UNCgolf]

How many of those rides in Disneyland are actually rides and not just a generalized term for attractions?

I think there are 29 or 30 actual rides.

 

[Jeff4272]

They’re not bringing maxpass to Orlando…but it’s a great system and messes with all the customers Somewhat little because they still have the paper fastpasses for everyone else.

you’re so desperately looking for a take here you’re spinning like a top.

stop before you drill yourself to China.

Not looking for a take, just facts. I never said maxpass was going to Orlando. Maxpass works fine for DL b most people are day guests vs resort guests.

fact: Fast passes sell out with maxpass

fact: paper FP was AWFUL at WDW athat’s why they got rid of it.

fact: DL has WAY more rides to absorb fp

fact: WDW has 36 hotels vs DL 3.

fact: fp would sell out in seconds not minutes if they went to DL system in Orlando.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

How many of those rides in Disneyland are actually rides and not just a generalized term for attractions?

I think there are 29 or 30 actual rides.

Most are legit rides…

its on the least coast where they sell that “attraction” nonsense…like the Dino land playground and the frozen singalong in mgm

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Not looking for a take, just facts. I never said maxpass was going to Orlando. Maxpass works fine for DL b most people are day guests vs resort guests.

fact: Fast passes sell out with maxpass

fact: paper FP was AWFUL at WDW athat’s why they got rid of it.

fact: DL has WAY more rides to absorb fp

fact: WDW has 36 hotels vs DL 3.

fact: fp would sell out in seconds not minutes if they went to DL system in Orlando.

You’re just all over the place…is it happy hour?

36 hotels? Oh do tell that count? Did they build the Venetian?

 

[Jeff4272]

FastPass kiosks never went away at DLR. The same system as paper is still used (or was before the pandemic), although now your FastPass is loaded onto your ticket/pass at the kiosk and the slip of paper you pull is a reminder of your return time.

Maybe visit DLR first before opining on what MaxPass is or isn’t.

Lol. I know what maxpass is. I’m 8 miles from the park right now. I never said they went away. I know the system is the same I know how ur pass is downloaded.

you must have misunderstood my comments.

 

[Jeff4272]

FastPass kiosks never went away at DLR. The same system as paper is still used (or was before the pandemic), although now your FastPass is loaded onto your ticket/pass at the kiosk and the slip of paper you pull is a reminder of your return time.

Maybe visit DLR first before opining on what MaxPass is or isn’t.

I was talking WdW not DL

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Lol. I know what maxpass is. I’m 8 miles from the park right now. I never said they went away. I know the system is the same I know how ur pass is downloaded.

you must have misunderstood my comments.

Wait…you can’t figure out Disneyland and you’re telling us 3+ times a year Disney worlders how great the rubber band system is??

so how many times have you been to orlando?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I was talking WdW not DL

That system you’re trashing is only in Disneyland…

 

[Jeff4272]

You’re just all over the place…is it happy hour?

36 hotels? Oh do tell that count? Did they build the Venetian?

Ah yeah. 26 on site and 10 good neighbor partners that had access to EMH and 60 day FP. Get ur facts right.