FastPass+ Most Certainly Not Coming Back As It Was

[Waters Back Side]

Also MK does not have a tiered ride system where a super headliner and a headliner or base attraction can really be determined. The other 3 parks do. So I would think like with FP, MK has no limitation on how you would use 3 points. A Mountain day would be 3 points. Where as at Epcot a base would be Figment or Nemo, a headliner would be Spaceship, Mission and LWTL and a super headliner would be 1 of TT, Soarin, Frozen and soon to be Remy.

 

[Jeff4272]

I've experienced both, but when I experienced paper FP, it wasn't crowded enough to really be a necessity, so it's not a true comparison for me.

Wasn’t crowded enough? Really? You must go the second week of September

 

[Jeff4272]

This is interesting. If the fact is that HALF of WDW guests stay off site, then if you cut the free FP option for all off site guests that would cut the avavailabity of FP in half hence allowing ALL resort guests to get them free (2 or 3) and greatly improving the standby waits. Win - Win.

Except wdw doesn’t make any money in your scenario

 

[Jeff4272]

We have “established” no such thing.

and it doesn’t matter who “begs”…they won’t reverse a major decision…nor will they “de-monetize” something. Never happened…never will.

if they introduce a paid system…you have two choices.

Ah yes we did. FP+ was WAY better than paper. It’s called evolution

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Wasn’t crowded enough? Really? You must go the second week of September

When I experienced PAPER fastpasses it wasn't crowded enough for them to be a necessity. We're talking October of 2000. Holy hell do I wish we could have those crowd levels back...

 

[Jeff4272]

I'm right there with you.

MaxPass stinks for the same reason paper FP stinks. If you don’t rope drop, you either get a very late return or miss out completely on the headliners (really the only FP yoy really need)

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Ah yes we did. FP+ was WAY better than paper. It’s called evolution

And now it may be over…so you’re ready to evolve and pay, right? Or stop going?
Easy choices

When I experienced PAPER fastpasses it wasn't crowded enough for them to be a necessity. We're talking October of 2000. Holy hell do I wish we could have those crowd levels back...

indeed…those were the days, Edith

MaxPass stinks for the same reason paper FP stinks. If you don’t rope drop, you either get a very late return or miss out completely on the headliners (really the only FP yoy really need)

Have you ever done maxpass…takes a little bit to get used too…but after it’s fastpass 1.0…queued…without the legwork

far superior to anything ever in Orlando in every way.

 

[Chi84]

far superior to anything ever in Orlando in every way.

For some, not all. Looks like it's evolve and pay then.

 

[mikejs78]

I'll pay for FP but not some insane amount that has been discussed. If it were $20 per person per day for something like a MaxPass then I would do it. But I'm not paying $60, $70, $80 or more per person per day and I'm not going to pay $10 to $20 per ride. They cannot model this off of California or any other Disney park because they are all one or two parks where people might spend a couple of days. That would not break the bank for most people. Take that same price point on to a Walt Disney World vacation where people go for 9, 10, 11, even 14 days and it becomes unbelievably expensive. Most people going on vacation to Disney World are not the VIP capable visitors. I don't care if the VIP sales have gone up. Most people don't have that kind of money on top of the cost of a Disney vacation.

What if it's something like $70 / day for a single day ticket, but drops the more days you have? For a 4 day ticket it works out to $50/day, for a $5 day ticket $40/day, for a 7 day+ ticket $25/day?

 

[Jeff4272]

And now it may be over…so you’re ready to evolve and pay, right? Or stop going?
Easy choices



indeed…those were the days, Edith


Have you ever done maxpass…takes a little bit to get used too…but after it’s fastpass 1.0…queued…without the legwork

far superior to anything ever in Orlando in every way.

Yes. I’m not a rope dropper. We go to parks in afternoon. MaxPass is useless

 

[WannaGoNow]

Yeah but with FP+ you could conceivably ride Splash, Thunder, and Space in the same day. Here you could ride one of those and maybe Dumbo.

So in this scenario, your admission entitles you to a limited amount of A, B, C, D and E rides, and if you want to ride additional ones you pay per ride?

Hmmm. Wonder why this sounds familiar.

 

[WannaGoNow]

MaxPass stinks for the same reason paper FP stinks. If you don’t rope drop, you either get a very late return or miss out completely on the headliners (really the only FP yoy really need)

This is patently false.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Yes. I’m not a rope dropper. We go to parks in afternoon. MaxPass is useless

Maxpass isn’t dependent on time of day…since limited people use it (practically no APs in Disneyland do)…it updates in real time.

I’m not a rope dropper…not a computer stalker 2 months out.

so I had max pass lined up on a thursday with 5 rides in 1:20 minutes in DL at one point…7:30 to 9:00 pm…

2 big thunders, Indy, Astro blasters and space.

if you think that’s not “better”…then you need more coffee

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You’ve never been to Disneyland, have you? Because this is patently false.

I didn’t want to say that…but it is Fairly obvious

 

[Jeff4272]

This is patently false.

Lol.

 

[G00fyDad]

What if it's something like $70 / day for a single day ticket, but drops the more days you have? For a 4 day ticket it works out to $50/day, for a $5 day ticket $40/day, for a 7 day+ ticket $25/day?

Possibly. That would put me at around $800 total for the entire trip for every single person. That's possible.

 

[ParentsOf4]

Why would TWDC give 'free' front of the line passes to onsite guests, it makes zero sense when the whole aim is to extract more money per guest.

The Walt Disney Company:

1. Now charges onsite Guests for parking, something that previously was included in the hotel price, effectively increasing the cost of a room by ~5-10%.
2. Is ending Disney's Magical Express, one of the most popular onsite perks.
3. Has ended the 60-day advantage onsite Guests had to book FP+ selections.
4. Has ended the popular Extra Magic Hours and, for most onsite Guests, is replacing it with a 30-minute head start, barely enough time to get into one Standby line before offsite Guests are let into the park.
5. Increased hotel rack rates by 5.7% in 2021 and 10.6% in 2020.

Frankly, onsite Guests are getting shafted.

Let's compare some Universal and Disney hotel rates (tax included) for mid-March 2022 (i.e. Spring Break):

• Universal's Endless Summer $172 per night vs. Disney's All-Star Music $217 per night.
• Universal's Sapphire Falls $275 per night vs. Disney's Port Orleans Riverside (or French Quarter) $353 per night.
• Universal's Portofino Bay (with unlimited Express Pass all day long!) $541 per night vs. Disney's Grand Floridian (with perhaps 2 extra hours at one theme park late at night) $949 per night.

Corporate Disney better think long and hard about why Guests would continue to pay WDW prices.

 

[Jeff4272]

I didn’t want to say that…but it is Fairly obvious

I didn’t want to say that…but it is Fairly obvious

I have been. And it’s 100% true

If this was implemented in FLA, are you telling me when WDW had paper fast passes and the headline rides were gone 30 mins after opening and now they would make it easier to get them by doing it electronically then they now would not sell out?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Yeah but with FP+ you could conceivably ride Splash, Thunder, and Space in the same day. Here you could ride one of those and maybe Dumbo.

But in only 2 of 4 parks…because they don’t have the capacity in those other 2…and if Daks attendance went up…wouldn’t have enough there either. It’s numbers

Also MK does not have a tiered ride system where a super headliner and a headliner or base attraction can really be determined. The other 3 parks do. So I would think like with FP, MK has no limitation on how you would use 3 points. A Mountain day would be 3 points. Where as at Epcot a base would be Figment or Nemo, a headliner would be Spaceship, Mission and LWTL and a super headliner would be 1 of TT, Soarin, Frozen and soon to be Remy.

See above…because they barely had enough seats to not have to tier…plus…it’s kiddie land with meet and greets galore…so apples to oranges

For some, not all. Looks like it's evolve and pay then.

That’s the blow I keep trying to soften. Many people here seem to think that since they’ve swallowed the steep ticket and room increases under Bob the Great, then they should be excluded from this charge…
Problem is they swallowed the increases…which doesn’t provide a strong case not to charge them.

What if it's something like $70 / day for a single day ticket, but drops the more days you have? For a 4 day ticket it works out to $50/day, for a $5 day ticket $40/day, for a 7 day+ ticket $25/day?

Conceivable…that might be a way to “stunt the blow”…still increases ticket costs by about 65% though

 

[Jeff4272]

Maxpass isn’t dependent on time of day…since limited people use it (practically no APs in Disneyland do)…it updates in real time.

I’m not a rope dropper…not a computer stalker 2 months out.

so I had max pass lined up on a thursday with 5 rides in 1:20 minutes in DL at one point…7:30 to 9:00 pm…

2 big thunders, Indy, Astro blasters and space.

if you think that’s not “better”…then you need more coffee

It’s included in signature and premier passports So AP holders do use it. And 100% they are subject to availability.

have you ever been to DL? Seems obvious you haven’t.