FastPass+ Most Certainly Not Coming Back As It Was

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threvester

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G00fyDad said:
I'm not disputing your claim but you do realize that photo makes it look like you only had four fast passes for the day using a combination of up to four tickets don't you? I didn't hoard paper fast passes back then either but with four of us going to the parks I can insert all four room keys into the kiosks and do that exact same thing.
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It was me and my son. 2 people
 
MJM

MJM

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Chip Chipperson said:
I would bet that most people booking their FP+ selections in advance know which rides are their "must do" rides and which ones aren't.
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Exactly. This. The smart people booked their 60 day out FPs for the headliners- the rides they for sure wanted to ride no matter what. Did you have to wake early to do it? Yep but so what. If you were like me (aka smart) you booked the mountains at MK back to back FPs and then rode everything else in btwn in SB line. No one who did that, got to the park the day of and said “yeah no I don’t want to ride Space, Big Thunder or Mine train today” I suspect you didn’t do that either….
 
hopemax

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Waters Back Side said:
The answer to number 1 would be..off site guests and on site guests who exercised their free FP's/line skip limit.

The answer to number 2 will countered with the same question I have asked..what in incentive would there be for onsite guests to stay st a Disney resort if they have to pay the same as anyone else? A large segment of off site guests are not people who look for a hotel offsite specifically to save money on a trip to Disney. They are people who come for the day trip and live locally. They can walk in the 2nd week of February and ride 10 rides when the park is not busy. If they want free FP privileges you purchase a ticket/onsite resort package.
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I visit my Dad generally 3 times per year. One is always this week (agreement with DH when we moved to Denver. In February, I mini-snowbird to FL). I fly down the day or two after the Super Bowl. Then either his birthday in April or for the annual Epcot pin event which is held the last week of August, and then every other year we are there for Christmas. Do you visit this February week and have seen how much the experience has changed since the introduction of MDE, FP+, flexible pricing?

This period may still be one of the "least busiest", but it is not "NOT busy" anymore. Guest visitation changed, seeking out the cheaper days. For August/Sept you can see how the earlier F&W and Halloween parties have pushed up visitations. Disney has played around with ride operations so that whatever they think is tolerable is how they operate. Disney doesn't let lines be below 30 minutes anymore if they can help it (via FP ratios and vehicles in service). If they think guests will tolerate 30, it will be 30. If they think it should be 45, then it's 45, etc. The maximums change due to attendance variations (so you may avoid seeing 210 minute FOP times and see only 150 min), but the minimums have been manipulated for consistency. They do rehabs during this period. One shaft at ToT may be out of operation, and that makes the wait time worse for that particular ride than summer. There are a few rides like the omnimovers, where Disney can't leave vehicles offline, so for the first hour or two, and the last hours you can still have those magical low waits.

The temperatures in February are certainly better than June, but not so much the waits. You can't abandon your attack plan. For some things attraction ordering can be more forgiving. But in others, sometimes counter-intuitively a mistake can be more punitive because capacity that would be online on other days, is offline.
 
ImperfectPixie

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I'm wondering at what point people start to actually feel that they're being herded and squeezed...because that's exactly what Corporate is doing and thinks they can continue to do more and more.
 
SteveAZee

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
Wdw is roughly 25,000 acres/40 square miles… the size of Manhattan island
Luckily…Harlem isn’t at the north end



I was just yanking your chain

in seriousness…this is all conjecture. But it is “educated” conjecture based on experience, nuggets and reading the patterns.

nobody here has hard info on this big of a financial decision.

but…they can’t let this sit for long…it will be known pretty soon.
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Um...

Googling around, Manhattan's under 23 square miles.
 
Disney Analyst

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LittleBuford said:
I still think waking up early a month in advance is better than running around like a headless chicken as soon as the parks open in order to gather paper FPs. But I realise it's a matter of personal preference, and neither side is going to convince the other.
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This is actually why I think Disneyland’s MaxPass system was the best of the bunch. Legacy FP but could book them from your phone for a small daily fee.

Now that’s a good system (apart from my belief that FP raises lines in general and the parks are better off without them or should only have a very limited version 😅)
 
ImperfectPixie

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Disney Analyst said:
This is actually why I think Disneyland’s MaxPass system was the best of the bunch. Legacy FP but could book them from your phone for a small daily fee.

Now that’s a good system (apart from my belief that FP raises lines in general and the parks are better off without them or should only have a very limited version 😅)
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I'm right there with you.
 
SirLink

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Waters Back Side said:
The answer to number 1 would be..off site guests and on site guests who exercised their free FP's/line skip limit.

The answer to number 2 will countered with the same question I have asked..what in incentive would there be for onsite guests to stay st a Disney resort if they have to pay the same as anyone else? A large segment of off site guests are not people who look for a hotel offsite specifically to save money on a trip to Disney. They are people who come for the day trip and live locally. They can walk in the 2nd week of February and ride 10 rides when the park is not busy. If they want free FP privileges you purchase a ticket/onsite resort package.
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Why would TWDC give 'free' front of the line passes to onsite guests, it makes zero sense when the whole aim is to extract more money per guest. TWDC learned the hard way with 'free' Dining packages that they were giving the house to get a little.

The majority of guests who travel to O-Town do not stay on site. They are the people that visit the parks each day of their visit by rental car or by shuttle from their hotels. Is one of the reasons the hotels on 192 did great business pre 03/20.
 
SirLink

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Waters Back Side said:
You keep insisting people will flock to Disney and occupy their resorts with no incentive. This is NOT a true statement. WDW would take a hit for sure.
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Since Disney reopened that is what has happened. Disney has said these are the limits and people have booked onsite stays without any perks.
 
LittleBuford

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Disney Analyst said:
This is actually why I think Disneyland’s MaxPass system was the best of the bunch. Legacy FP but could book them from your phone for a small daily fee.

Now that’s a good system (apart from my belief that FP raises lines in general and the parks are better off without them or should only have a very limited version 😅)
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You know I love you, but in this, we'll never see eye-to-eye. MaxPass was fine, and certainly preferable to what's being discussed now, but I'd still choose FP+ any day, and I'd sooner subject myself to a Dole Whip than agree with you that "the parks are better off without" FP!
 
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aaronml

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Disney Analyst said:
This is actually why I think Disneyland’s MaxPass system was the best of the bunch. Legacy FP but could book them from your phone for a small daily fee.

Now that’s a good system (apart from my belief that FP raises lines in general and the parks are better off without them or should only have a very limited version 😅)
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Most DLR guests loved MaxPass …. It was extremely popular and IMO was a “tasteful” way for TWDC to make some money off of FP. I would take MaxPass over FP+ any day of the week.

Sadly, it seems like neither system will return though. Not even MaxPass apparently is profitable enough for modern-day TWDC.
 
pdude81

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hopemax said:
I visit my Dad generally 3 times per year. One is always this week (agreement with DH when we moved to Denver. In February, I mini-snowbird to FL). I fly down the day or two after the Super Bowl. Then either his birthday in April or for the annual Epcot pin event which is held the last week of August, and then every other year we are there for Christmas. Do you visit this February week and have seen how much the experience has changed since the introduction of MDE, FP+, flexible pricing?

This period may still be one of the "least busiest", but it is not "NOT busy" anymore. Guest visitation changed, seeking out the cheaper days. For August/Sept you can see how the earlier F&W and Halloween parties have pushed up visitations. Disney has played around with ride operations so that whatever they think is tolerable is how they operate. Disney doesn't let lines be below 30 minutes anymore if they can help it (via FP ratios and vehicles in service). If they think guests will tolerate 30, it will be 30. If they think it should be 45, then it's 45, etc. The maximums change due to attendance variations (so you may avoid seeing 210 minute FOP times and see only 150 min), but the minimums have been manipulated for consistency. They do rehabs during this period. One shaft at ToT may be out of operation, and that makes the wait time worse for that particular ride than summer. There are a few rides like the omnimovers, where Disney can't leave vehicles offline, so for the first hour or two, and the last hours you can still have those magical low waits.

The temperatures in February are certainly better than June, but not so much the waits. You can't abandon your attack plan. For some things attraction ordering can be more forgiving. But in others, sometimes counter-intuitively a mistake can be more punitive because capacity that would be online on other days, is offline.
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Anecdotally I can agree with this. Second week of Feb 2020 was wrecked. It felt worse to us than Easter week the year before. We went that week to avoid president's day and half marathon weekend, but reportedly crowds would have been lower then. Seems like slow times don't really exist anymore.
 
TheMaxRebo

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Disney Analyst said:
This is actually why I think Disneyland’s MaxPass system was the best of the bunch. Legacy FP but could book them from your phone for a small daily fee.

Now that’s a good system (apart from my belief that FP raises lines in general and the parks are better off without them or should only have a very limited version 😅)
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The one thing I didn't like about MaxPass is I wish there was like a "family" rate or like after the first one subsequent ones from 50% of the cost

Just as a family of 5 to pay 5 times the rate, when we don't really benefit from having 5 photopasses was a bit tough to swallow
 
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