GimpYancIent
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Yes. My two sons jumped in height during their late teen years.
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FastPass+ Most Certainly Not Coming Back As It Was
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Well my answer to why would be they are still trying to sell more of that time share.
With what they are charging per point they need something to make you lose your common sense long enough to sign on the line.
Waters Back Side
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WDW cannot operate at peak capacity levels without a line management system. So yes, that right there we can all agree will be implemented.
My concern is more for people like me and so many others that go during peak weeks. No matter what there will be long lines. And large families will not just have to pay minimal amounts of money, but a drastic amount that would actually impact their decision to stay on site. I'm not talking about the 40 weeks of the year where lines can sort themselves out with no FP and a quicker moving stand by line.
The reason the busy weeks are called peak or considered busy is because that's when th most people book vacations to Disney. And what they get in return is being highly underestimated in terms of whether there would be an acceptance if they had those things taken away.
SirLink
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Yes they can actually 90s were a prime example of this. The problems started when EVPs started thinking if people were not in line they would start spending money on generic Disney merchandise. Then World over built hotel rooms and under invested in new attractions in the Parks.
Waters Back Side
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The balance remaining my my trip the last week in December for CBR and 7 days of park tickets is exactly $2000. Thats before food expenses (DDP or pay as we go irrelevant) that's before air fare. That is before any souvenirs which is purely optional but traditionally a part of vacationing.
Imagine other people in my boat...we all pay off our balance. And we look, waiting anxiously for our trip knowing its paid off and suddenly notice that if I want the convenience of enjoying WDW 10000 dollars later I NOW have to come up with another large some of money for my family and I to avoid spending half a day in line.
All I want to do is spend one day in HS and enjoy SDD, Toy Story Mania, and the Tower of Terror. Meet some characters enjoy a meal and be happy. If you are telling me that simple unreasonable not greedy request after 10 years of doing it and probably 150000 dollars of my money has been spent on a WDW vacation and now I have to pay to do those things, I will NOT accept that...and A LOT of other people will not either.
Imagine other people in my boat...we all pay off our balance. And we look, waiting anxiously for our trip knowing its paid off and suddenly notice that if I want the convenience of enjoying WDW 10000 dollars later I NOW have to come up with another large some of money for my family and I to avoid spending half a day in line.
All I want to do is spend one day in HS and enjoy SDD, Toy Story Mania, and the Tower of Terror. Meet some characters enjoy a meal and be happy. If you are telling me that simple unreasonable not greedy request after 10 years of doing it and probably 150000 dollars of my money has been spent on a WDW vacation and now I have to pay to do those things, I will NOT accept that...and A LOT of other people will not either.
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pdude81
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I meant that the details of the line management program will dictate whether 30 mins of entry is enough of an incentive for on-site guests.
They have no choice to bring something forward to help with guest satisfaction and even managing flow for peak times, as you said. The standby pass is a useful start, even though it brings the power to truly manipulate lines and force people to monetized fastpass. They could cap the paid fastpass at 35% of what it used to be and still make a ton of money, but will they really stop there? I don't think they will go full Montgomery Burns as Sir Walter seems to on fastpasses, but they're surely not going full Robin Hood either. They've announced what they are doing for on site and DVC up front, so I assume whenever we learn what this new program is that those things will have a tangible benefit. I wouldn't expect any further perks or benefits without major blowback from guests.
LittleBuford
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I’m confused by your last sentence. Are you saying that standby pass is like a digital version of the old paper FPs? That isn’t my impression at all.
Sirwalterraleigh
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The most plausible explanation yet…
problem is they have all us “freeloaders” contributing only a grand or more each year. I’d be more shocked if they gave any consideration to DVC however because of the huge numbers of “legacies” that paid the old rates
flynnibus
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you would use guides to OPTIMIZE your trips and know what was worthy, etc.
the idea of turning into a “park commando” that tried to stuff as much as possible, as long as possible, at all other expense used to be seen as a negative… because if vacation isn’t relaxing what’s the point?
“I conquered disney!!” - maybe you have a tale to tell… but you aren’t gonna be refreshed
Sirwalterraleigh
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As I understand it…the “virtual standby” functions more to regulate the standbys so they are a uniform wait…not a fastpass
flynnibus
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No - thats what maxpass is. Digital fp.
Waters Back Side
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This much more accurately of the rumor from the get go to an extent. Keep the current FP system and implement a paid system on top of it. However significantly reducing the amount of FPs available.
It's a lot more reasonable then say....everyone has to pay for line skips. No alternative.
Did you ever occur to people that many of us who like being there during the busy times and the convenience of walking on a few attractions, do not want to wake up at 7 am and enter MK early to achieve that? Not to mention it would take 30 minutes to WALK to some rides. Hopefully like they have always done, is they will increase early entry to an hour or more during busy weeks. But I would not put it past them if they decide not to.
hopemax
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Except then a chunk of off site guests don't come at all, because why are you going to pay a $120 cover charge, if your only option is paid FP, like everyone is freaking out about and are claiming would end their trips. Predict what percentage of off-site guests would stop coming and then ask if Disney or Wall Street would accept that sort of drop in attendance and total profit.
All the solutions that provide significant benefit to the on-site half, are middle fingers to everyone else. Stop thinking about this as a guest, if you are Disney which half do you serve? The answer is not "on-site vs off-site." It's that daily average guest spend number. You pay, you get to play.
Does anyone else remember the Dutch auctions on Ebay when Disney had Disney Auctions? They would have 100 of something and then people would bid what they were willing to pay. What you actually paid, was the lowest *successful* bid. So if you were willing to pay $100 but the break point was $80, then you and the other 99 winners paid $80. This is the feeling I have with this paid FP discussion (without the literal auction).
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Jrb1979
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You wouldn't have to walk to rides to get your FP. As soon as you enter the park you most likely would be able to get it on the app. It works for me cause I don't go to theme parks for a relaxing vacation. If I want that I go to my trailer for a week.
LittleBuford
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As I said, the guide facilitated (and arguably encouraged) the kind of highly planned, commando-style Disney holiday you dislike. It’s nothing new.
What one person finds relaxing or enjoyable can’t be mapped onto others. Whether I’m at a Disney park or touring a city, I like to get as much done as possible; not capitalising on all that’s on offer is to me stressful rather than restful. Yes, I end my holidays feeling exhausted, but it’s a pleasurable, relaxed sort of exhaustion that I wouldn’t trade for anything. Others take a more casual approach, and that’s fine. Who am I to judge what they may or may not find pleasurable?
Waters Back Side
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So off site guests on Christmas/New Year/Spring Break expect to receive the benefits as the resort guests? They know going in they are at a significant disadvantage. I'm not ignoring those off site guests who come to WDW.
And again people are looking at a calendar year when most of that chunk of time is when people off site (many locals) have WDW in their back yard.
Come during peak weeks and stay onsite..you are already paying more then you would at any other time.
And again people are looking at a calendar year when most of that chunk of time is when people off site (many locals) have WDW in their back yard.
Come during peak weeks and stay onsite..you are already paying more then you would at any other time.
LittleBuford
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Exactly. But the post I quoted seemed to be saying something different.
Jrb1979
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It's why I only go off season when I travel. I do Florida in February, Cedar Point May or late August and spend my summer at my trailer. I have 4 weeks vacation and have no issue taking my child out of school for a week.
M:SpilotISTC12
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You gotta give out those free Magic Carpets fast passes. Essentially giving out free stems in your analogy.
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