FastPass+ Most Certainly Not Coming Back As It Was

[onelove8187]

I live 50 min away from Cedar Point. The last time I went was ~10 years ago? I have been to WDW maybe 8 times in the past 5 years. One of the reasons that WDW appeals to me where Cedar Point doesn't (even though they have phenomenal coasters) is the ability to enjoy a park day however I want and with very little waits in line.

I really hope the FP+ haters are taking note of the current WDW experience and wait times... Your overly simplistic mathematics was faulty. Everyone, unless you refused to use FP+ at all, is better off with FP+. Everyone gets to ride more rides on any given day.

And finally, any sort of system that limits standby queues beyond what FP+ did, is absolutely impossible to implement at WDW during its busiest times. they have to fill the queues during those times 100%.

 

[Waters Back Side]

Magic Kingdom had 20,963,000 guests in 2019, an average of 57,433 guests per day. Lets just use these numbers...IF you charge each person only 5 dollars a day to ride some of the attractions (aside from 2 or 3 free rides) Disney would make for the year $104,815,000 on a service that they offered for free as a perk. 5 dollars a guest per day for a party of 4 for a week its $100. That's CAVE level. I can deal with $100. I cant deal with $1000.

 

[Jeff4272]

Magic Kingdom had 20,963,000 guests in 2019, an average of 57,433 guests per day. Lets just use these numbers...IF you charge each person only 5 dollars a day to ride some of the attractions (aside from 2 or 3 free rides) Disney would make for the year $104,815,000 on a service that they offered for free as a perk. 5 dollars a guest per day for a party of 4 for a week its $100. That's CAVE level. I can deal with $100. I cant deal with $1000.

Im not here to debate your logic, i get your point....they make money charging for something they didnt before


but if every person paid to skip the line in your scenario, then you wouldn't save any time because the lines would be the same as if nobody paid and you shouldn't be paying for it

 

[Waters Back Side]

Im not here to debate your logic, i get your point....they make money charging for something they didnt before


but if every person paid to skip the line in your scenario, then you wouldn't save any time because the lines would be the same as if nobody paid and shouldn't be paying for it

I completely agree. I'm arguing with you not against you. I was using an example that we know would not work under current conditions. I don't think we should have to pay for FP. Or at least 3 of them a day. I'm trying to prove a point that they can make money if they really wanted to without pricing their guest base out and hence losing money elsewhere in the parks. Remember just limiting how many FPs are available will cut down the wait times as well. Cutting how many and how available they are for people.

 

[Jrb1979]

I live 50 min away from Cedar Point. The last time I went was ~10 years ago? I have been to WDW maybe 8 times in the past 5 years. One of the reasons that WDW appeals to me where Cedar Point doesn't (even though they have phenomenal coasters) is the ability to enjoy a park day however I want and with very little waits in line.

I really hope the FP+ haters are taking note of the current WDW experience and wait times... Your overly simplistic mathematics was faulty. Everyone, unless you refused to use FP+ at all, is better off with FP+. Everyone gets to ride more rides on any given day.

And finally, any sort of system that limits standby queues beyond what FP+ did, is absolutely impossible to implement at WDW during its busiest times. they have to fill the queues during those times 100%.

You can enjoy very limited waits in line if you pay for it. Which to me is the point of FP. If you limit how many have it, the better it works.

 

[Jrb1979]

Im not here to debate your logic, i get your point....they make money charging for something they didnt before


but if every person paid to skip the line in your scenario, then you wouldn't save any time because the lines would be the same as if nobody paid and you shouldn't be paying for it

It's why you make it cost high enough so most won't buy it.

 

[onelove8187]

Im not here to debate your logic, i get your point....they make money charging for something they didnt before


but if every person paid to skip the line in your scenario, then you wouldn't save any time because the lines would be the same as if nobody paid and you shouldn't be paying for it

Just raise ticket prices ~$10/ day... sure, they'll get kickback as always but it would settle. The problem is they want more, a 10% increase in ticket revenue isnt enough. they will do this, and also add sales from monetized FP+.

 

[flynnibus]

I really hope the FP+ haters are taking note of the current WDW experience and wait times... Your overly simplistic mathematics was faulty. Everyone, unless you refused to use FP+ at all, is better off with FP+. Everyone gets to ride more rides on any given day.

Cold fusion!

 

[onelove8187]

You can enjoy very limited waits in line if you pay for it. Which to me is the point of FP. If you limit how many have it, the better it works.

Honestly, i cant see the value in it at Cedar Point... its too expensive and Im turned off by it. At those prices I expect a WDW level experience, which it isnt... therefore I have chosen to return to WDW instead of Cedar Point. And yes, for people who pay, paid FP works better... but free FP worked incredibly well despite what some people believe. Its not basic math, it is complex math and FP+ works...

 

[onelove8187]

Cold fusion!

Cold fusion?

 

[Jeff4272]

Cold fusion?

It means his math is different than your math......

When it comes to Fast Pass he forgets math and he does 1 + 1 = 3

Not the 1 + 1 = .5 like you and i know is the correct answer

 

[Waters Back Side]

it's why you make it cost high enough so most won't buy it

I get the logic of it I really do. But the reason they call certain times of the year Peak is because thats when the most people go. HOW do you handle a large family who wants to come for a week and stay at a moderate or value resort during a time of year that no matter what the lines are so long? Is it the answer bluntly...if you cant handle it don,t go? Thats what Disney would be saying.

 

[Jeff4272]

I get the logic of it I really do. But the reason they call certain times of the year Peak is because thats when the most people go. HOW do you handle a large family who wants to come for a week and stay at a moderate or value resort during a time of year that no matter what the lines are so long? Is it the answer bluntly...if you cant handle it don,t go? Thats what Disney would be saying.

Correct and most people are saying that Disney thinks people will still go

 

[onelove8187]

It means his math is different than your math......

When it comes to Fast Pass he forgets math and he does 1 + 1 = 3

Not the 1 + 1 = .5 like you and i know is the correct answer

LOL still not quite sure I follow... but pretty sure 1+1=2

 

[Jeff4272]

LOL still not quite sure I follow... but pretty sure 1+1=2

Ha........Not with FP+ it doesnt........you wait less than 1/4 of the time you would with FP+

Come on, we were on same page until then............

 

[Waters Back Side]

Correct and most people are saying that Disney thinks people will still go

They are wrong.

 

[dovetail65]

I just think that’s anecdotal. I don’t see much of anyway that the last system returns. So those tales…like off season and good value, high quality meals…are now “legend”

Well I for one am glad our two over the top once in a lifetime do everything under the sun on premises Disney trips happened during a time FP was the way it was.

 

[Jeff4272]

They are wrong.

I agree with you........Only time will tell.........

Maybe WDW thinks they have enough of a time buffer with demand from Covid and the 50th but i think what its costing them in good will, never mind the actual increase in cost for the same vacation from only 2 years ago, will hurt their bookings and brand

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I agree with you........Only time will tell.........

Maybe WDW thinks they have enough of a time buffer with demand from Covid and the 50th but i think what its costing them in good will, never mind the actual increase in cost for the same vacation from only 2 years ago, will hurt their bookings and brand

I do, too. I also think Disney thinks there are way more "whale" guests than there actually are. (People for whom money doesn't matter at all and who love Disney so much that they'll spend whatever it takes.)

 

[flynnibus]

Cold fusion?

Example of something not physically possible...but people see enough to believe and buy in because because the payout looks so good.

Or take the perpetual motion machine if you like...

They all share the same thing... details that are buried or glossed over to make the pitch.. and when analyzed as a whole.. the proposition fails.

FP is not 'free energy' - and certainly not FP+. Everyone doesn't wait less and ride more. Individuals just accept the 'gains' they get with their FPs they actually were allowed to get.. and are happy with that. All the other data points they throw away or just dismiss at the end as 'not my problem'.