FastPass+ Most Certainly Not Coming Back As It Was

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Agreed there. I go to Cedar Point somewhat often and their crowds and lines for their most popular coasters are essentially Disney-level from Memorial Day through Labor Day. It's just something you have to deal with in popular parks (unless you pay).

Not to get the howitzer out…

but you don’t fly to cedar point for a typical 7 day stay that costs 5000+ either.

not the same section of the ballpark

 

[ctrlaltdel]

Not to get the howitzer out…

but you don’t fly to cedar point for a typical 7 day stay that costs 5000+ either.

not the same section of the ballpark

Oh I agree with that. Just saying, you will be waiting in lines at a very popular park! Can't avoid them unless you want to pay or if you exclusively used legacy FP/FP+ systems.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Oh I agree with that. Just saying, you will be waiting in lines at a very popular park! Can't avoid them unless you want to pay or if you exclusively used legacy FP/FP+ systems.

This is another “duality” scenario we run into

“Disney parks aren’t like THOSE parks…”
“But you should expect to wait an hour for big Thunder (1981…not top top thrill dragster) just like THOSE parks”

or am I not following?

 

[DisneyCane]

Standby pass is basically a virtual queue to join a queue. Similar to BGs for RotR except that doesn't currently have any FP slowing down the line.

This whole scheme (assuming the Paris version is used) can only work at WDW if the priority line is limited to a much lower inventory than was given to legacy FP or FP+. Also, there have to be some attractions that don't use this system and are just normal standby only.

There has to be something to do if your standby pass return is 2 hours away.

 

[Waters Back Side]

Agreed there. I go to Cedar Point somewhat often and their crowds and lines for their most popular coasters are essentially Disney-level from Memorial Day through Labor Day. It's just something you have to deal with in popular parks (unless you pay).

Nobody disputes waiting in some lines is inevitable for most popular attractions at theme parks. The price of a Cedar Park one day and two day ticket is not comparable to the price of Disney. Nor are people going there on spring break for a week. $49 dollars a day is less then what people are proposing a family pays to even go on a couple of rides.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Nobody disputes waiting in some lines is inevitable for most popular attractions at theme parks. The price of a Cedar Park one day and two day ticket is not comparable to the price of Disney. Nor are people going there on spring break for a week. $49 dollars a day is less then what people are proposing a family pays to even go on a couple of rides.

…really old rides.

and yet….and I’m worried about you…that is the concept we are talking about here. We don’t want it to happen…but there’s no reason to doubt it.

 

[ctrlaltdel]

This is another “duality” scenario we run into

“Disney parks aren’t like THOSE parks…”
“But you should expect to wait an hour for big Thunder (1981…not top top thrill dragster) just like THOSE parks”

or am I not following?

Maybe I'm not following but I don't see any sort of conflict between:

A. Disney is indeed not like other parks; and,
B. Due to the operational realties of parks in general, waiting in line should be expected at any popular theme park. How you avoid lines and what you pay (or not) to avoid them is another question entirely.

Not saying that the price or experience of the 2 are necessarily comparable mind you. Clearly CP is much cheaper, but I was only making a comparison that the demand for that park in the summer months is comparable to the demand for a typical Disney crowd (in terms of lines, density of crowds, etc.).

 

[Jeff4272]

I would bet the opposite.

But it’s not coming back as it was…so no need to rehash it

Or they could say “wait in lines…or pay?”

Gentleman's bet.......Hotel occupancy will be down as soon as the 50th celebration is over......loser buys winner a dole whip

I know its not coming back as it was, but i also dont believe it will be 100% pay to play

theres a breaking point for everyone....at some point people will not wait or pay

 

[Waters Back Side]

…really old rides.

and yet….and I’m worried about you…that is the concept we are talking about here. We don’t want it to happen…but there’s no reason to doubt it.

I do not think anyone with half a brain would doubt a FP paid version is coming. Including....ME. Again though, that has nothing to do with using it as a perk or an incentive in some similar free form as the past. Its not overly unrealistic. In fact i think its more realistic to think resort guests get 3 then it is that they only get 1 and pay for every ride after.

 

[DomVF07]

Right now, there are a number of perks that are only available to blue cards, and Disney keeps raising the number of points necessary to get a blue card. Adding in discounted FP as a blue card perk would provide one more reason for people to buy direct. Disney has already shown that they aren't concerned about current DVC members renting out or selling points (or about DVC members who don't buy direct). Disney seems most interested in getting people to buy direct and discounted FP would provide a great incentive while also encourage more $ spent in the park without incurring any additional expense.

Forgive me as I’m still catching up in here so if someone responded to this already I apologize but enlighten me. What “perks”exactly still remain for those “coveted” blue cards….#askingforafriend. I’m going to go with 2 maybe 3 and wouldn’t call them perks nor would I say they’ve been active since pre-covid

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Standby pass is basically a virtual queue to join a queue. Similar to BGs for RotR except that doesn't currently have any FP slowing down the line.

This whole scheme (assuming the Paris version is used) can only work at WDW if the priority line is limited to a much lower inventory than was given to legacy FP or FP+. Also, there have to be some attractions that don't use this system and are just normal standby only.

There has to be something to do if your standby pass return is 2 hours away.

Based on the 8 year + “experiment”…odds they are capable of that balancing act?

Maybe I'm not following but I don't see any sort of conflict between:

A. Disney is indeed not like other parks; and,
B. Due to the operational realties of parks in general, waiting in line should be expected at any popular theme park. How you avoid lines and what you pay (or not) to avoid them is another question entirely.

Not saying that the price or experience of the 2 are necessarily comparable mind you. Clearly CP is much cheaper, but I was only making a comparison that the demand for that park in the summer months is comparable to the demand for a typical Disney crowd (in terms of lines, density of crowds, etc.).

Let me clarify: I’m not directing my observation specifically at you. You didn’t do it…just led me to another one of these common disneyphile interference excuses

 

[Jeff4272]

If 1-2 hour lines for the MOST POPULAR thing in a park is unacceptable to you - the only answer is line skips or radically reducing crowds.

But 1hr+ is not that abnormal in big theme parks for popular attractions... if you find that unacceptable, then you're not in sync with norms.

it is and thats why i love FP+........thats not hard to understand right?

 

[disneygeek90]

Standby pass is basically a virtual queue to join a queue. Similar to BGs for RotR except that doesn't currently have any FP slowing down the line.

This whole scheme (assuming the Paris version is used) can only work at WDW if the priority line is limited to a much lower inventory than was given to legacy FP or FP+. Also, there have to be some attractions that don't use this system and are just normal standby only.

There has to be something to do if your standby pass return is 2 hours away.

If the typical wait once I join the queue is ROTR level, I would probably find a way to be fine with it.

What I don't want is Disney to tell me I have to wait 2 hours to join a Splash queue, and then wait another 75 mins once I'm in line.

 

[pax_65]

I’m with you…problem is we are the minority.

I fear you're right. And if so, there is a business argument for what Disney is doing. At least to bump short-term income.

They will suffer long-term impacts, though. If you don't treat your best customers right, it will eventually bite you.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I do not think anyone with half a brain would doubt a FP paid version is coming. Including....ME. Again though, that has nothing to do with using it as a perk or an incentive in some similar free form as the past. Its not overly unrealistic. In fact i think its more realistic to think resort guests get 3 then it is that they only get 1 and pay for every ride after.

I don’t think giving them to hotel rooms they’d sell anyway (without massive increase to rates) or timeshares already sold (big problem)…or “limiting them” to make “a little” money and being mostly content to the tickets - already sold anyway…

is overly realistic.

this is corporate America…nothing is done as a “thank you”. It has To be a clear line in the boardroom:
“If we don’t charge here…where will the money come from afterward?” Has to be answered without “nowhere” being the answer.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

If the typical wait once I join the queue is ROTR level, I would probably find a way to be fine with it.

What I don't want is Disney to tell me I have to wait 2 hours to join a Splash queue, and then wait another 75 mins once I'm in line.

…bad news on that.

if they fill the queue…as built/designed…that’s what it will be.

 

[Waters Back Side]

If the typical wait once I join the queue is ROTR level, I would probably find a way to be fine with it.

What I don't want is Disney to tell me I have to wait 2 hours to join a Splash queue, and then wait another 75 mins once I'm in line.

OR if you choose not to you have to pay us more. Maybe they can charge for the Monorail, skyliner and boat rides also. lol.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I fear you're right. And if so, there is a business argument for what Disney is doing. At least to bump short-term income.

They will suffer long-term impacts, though. If you don't treat your best customers right, it will eventually bite you.

I’ve been entrenched on that hill since I left…20 years…

and I continue to get pounded by artillery

 

[mikejs78]

Does anyone know if this paid fastpass thing will count as an in-app purchase where Apple will be taking 30% of the cost? Or does this get exempted?

The Apple tax only applies to digital goods. Since this is a ticket to a physical thing, Apple doesn't take a cut.

 

[flynnibus]

it is and thats why i love FP+........thats not hard to understand right?

I think you love what you are fed...