FastPass+ Most Certainly Not Coming Back As It Was

[MrPromey]

OR if you choose not to you have to pay us more. Maybe they can charge for the Monorail, skyliner and boat rides also. lol.

I'm sure that's at least where some of the internal "resort fee" talk started...

 

[MrPromey]

Oh I get that…

…problem is he’s not entirely wrong. Abrasive? Yes…
Wrong? Not as much

and it's important to realize we all love what we're fed sometimes - maybe it's with Disney, maybe it's with an abusive partner, maybe it's with a job we've had for 10+ years or the only brand of ice cream they sell at the local convenience store.

While the way he said it was harsh, it's a universal truth. We all have to be able to delude ourselves to some degree to keep life bearable sometimes.

 

[MrPromey]

Do FastPasses create longer waits or do they not have any affect at all?

Debate the pros and cons of FP+'s and their affect on lines here.

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Nobody can blame you for trying, MrPenguin

 

[flynnibus]

and it's important to realize we all love what we're fed sometimes - maybe it's with Disney, maybe it's with an abusive partner, maybe it's with a job we've had for 10+ years or the only brand of ice cream they sell at the local convenience store.

While the way he said it was harsh, it's a universal truth. We all have to be able to delude ourselves to some degree to keep life bearable sometimes.

Or simply... FP+ was a bundle of things... and not the only way to achieve the parts people 'love'. People tend to gloss over and forget the parts they don't like as long as there is enough sugar to sweeten the other side.

If given the choice, would anyone have picked the 'must use 3 FPs in one park before you can get a FP in another'... No. People accept that baggage because they had no choice.. and to keep what they like, they gotta roll with that.

Disneyland MaxPass is a great example... people 'love' the phone convenience of FP+... but as Maxpass proves, you didn't have to have all that other non-sense JUST TO GET digital fastpasses.

 

[MrPromey]

*Onelove8187.............

What he means are, there are 2 VERY adamant sides of FP+

1) First side (his and almost all others here in this forum, mostly local AP holders) have read studies that FP+ causes too much back up in the Stand by lines to negate the positive effect of skipping the lines for rides

2) Other side (Mine and by the sounds of it likely yours) know that if you can get the top, longest wait rides at the 60 day window and skip these really long lines, there's no way in cold fusion that the longer time we have to wait in the other rides in stand by takes up the amount of time you saved on the really long lines


The problem lies in the fact that most people who support his theory are local AP holders who cannot get FOP, SDD, ToT, RNR, TT, Soarin, etc. at the 30 day mark since all those are taken up by resort guests at the 60 day mark and they have to wait a VERY long time while the resort guests dont......


**EDIT**

There was a hack that local AP holders would use........They would book a Disney hotel outside of the 60 day window, book their 3 FP's, then once it got to the 30 day window, cancel the hotel and keep the FP's........Unfortunately for them, Disney caught onto this and when you cancelled your hotel, all FP bookings cancelled with it..............I'm willing to bet a dole whip Flynnibus and Sirwalter did that more than once!

Sirwalter is DVC so....

 

[Jeff4272]

Or simply... FP+ was a bundle of things... and not the only way to achieve the parts people 'love'. People tend to gloss over and forget the parts they don't like as long as there is enough sugar to sweeten the other side.

If given the choice, would anyone have picked the 'must use 3 FPs in one park before you can get a FP in another'... No. People accept that baggage because they had no choice.. and to keep what they like, they gotta roll with that.

Disneyland MaxPass is a great example... people 'love' the phone convenience of FP+... but as Maxpass proves, you didn't have to have all that other non-sense JUST TO GET digital fastpasses.

You also miss out on fast passes if you aren’t there early. Max pass availability runs out just like old paper fast passes. One of the reasons FP+ replaced paper fast pass was the option to reserve in advance for the people that didn’t rope drop (the majority of park goers don’t make rope drop)

 

[Jeff4272]

Sirwalter is DVC so....

Can you be both dvc and local AP holder?

 

[flynnibus]

You also miss out on fast passes if you aren’t there early. Max pass availability runs out just like old paper fast passes. One of the reasons FP+ replaced paper fast pass was the option to reserve in advance for the people that didn’t rope drop (the majority of park goers don’t make rope drop)

Another thing you don't need 60 day lead times to fix.... yet, that is FP+

 

[MrPromey]

Can you be both dvc and local AP holder?

You can but DVC isn't locked into the AP level of benifits and since he's out of state, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make with him.

 

[MrPromey]

Now that’s actually interesting, I think e studios has some great stuff going on!

Yeah, and according to some people around here with their imaginary Theme Park 101 courses, that shouldn't even be possible since everyone knows adding "new" attractions always makes crowd levels higher in those parks.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Can you be both dvc and local AP holder?

There isn't likely to be much overlap between DVC and local AP holders. People who are local aren't going to spend tens of thousands of dollars on a time-share.

 

[dovetail65]

There isn't likely to be much overlap between DVC and local AP holders. People who are local aren't going to spend tens of thousands of dollars on a time-share.

AP users for WDW are not just for locals, been an AP holder for Universal and WDW living in IL since 2016.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

AP users for WDW are not just for locals, been an AP holder for Universal and WDW living in IL since 2016.

I'm aware. Please read the question I was responding to and my answer.

I know many people who are AP-holders...both local and out-of-state, as well as many DVC owners.

 

[dovetail65]

I'm aware. Please read the question I was responding to and my answer.

I know many people who are AP-holders...both local and out-of-state, as well as many DVC owners.

You said there isn't much overlap, I am saying there is more than you
think.

 

[hopemax]

You said there isn't much overlap, I am saying there is more than you
think.

That wasn't the point though. One poster accused another poster of being a local. A third poster said the poster in question was a DVC owner, so ImperfectPixie thought that implied that the poster in question wasn't local. Because there is not a lot of overlap between local AP holders and *DVC members*. And it was the post where this point was made that you objected to.

The point was "who is likely to be a DVC owner" NOT "who is likely to have an AP." The two of you are agreeing that out of state people overlap with AP ownership!

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Problem with that is I4 (and 275, dpending on where you're at) - spent many an hour stuck in traffic not moving because of an accident on the other side of the highway or because a highway patrol has someone pulled over off the shoulder of the road or... for no apparent reason at all when traffic suddenly at one point will start to move again without any evidence of the original problem.

Most recently, it was a military caravan (probably from McDill Airforce Base) that had three lanes closed on 275 because the front windshield of some armored vehicle - I don't know what but it looked like a semi-truck with trailer had got it on with a hummer and this was the offspring - had shattered and well, I guess they felt they needed to block off 3 lanes to deal with that because they were secretly transporting aliens or something.

Point is, an hour and fifteen minute drive can quickly turn into 3 or 5 hours on a bad day. Not always but often enough to drive you nuts.

Is my private helipad being painted that day?

 

[ImperfectPixie]

You said there isn't much overlap, I am saying there is more than you
think.

You aren't reading. I said there isn't much overlap between DVC and LOCAL AP-holders. A "LOCAL" AP-holder is local to the parks and doesn't need to spend multiple tens of thousands of dollars on a timeshare because they already live there.

 

[EricsBiscuit]

I don’t think they will move to such an app based park experience in the near future because there are too many people who will not understand it. They can kiss goodbye to their foreign visitors and less tech savvy guests if they implement something this complicated. It will hurt the guest experience for literally everyone except the few who pay for the premium service. What they have now is perfect. I would prefer to pay more for admission and keep what is now in place than go to such a convoluted and stupid system. I understand Disney has to raise prices every year because costs go up. I’m fine with dinner parties and other upsells. It all helps offset their massive costs and means more rides. I’m even fine with paying a small to moderate increase every year in prices. I’m not okay with having a convoluted system shoved down my throat that will hurt my experience and increase the cost of my trip even more. There are so many other ways for these people to make money it is not even funny. For a company that loves to call themselves creative, they are just trying to apply AI technology to a theme park. The Aladdin service is what this is really all about. New flash: a theme park is an economy. Wait times are prices. Everyone has different preferences and tolerances. No system disney can possibly implement will ever maximize the guest experience as efficiently as wait times and standby queues. Disney is going to kill their theme parks business if they do this. They will still have all the same rides. The same capacity. But, everyone will have a worse experience because they don’t understand that people can’t be managed.

 

[Jrb1979]

I don’t think they will move to such an app based park experience in the near future because there are too many people who will not understand it. They can kiss goodbye to their foreign visitors and less tech savvy guests if they implement something this complicated. It will hurt the guest experience for literally everyone except the few who pay for the premium service. What they have now is perfect. I would prefer to pay more for admission and keep what is now in place than go to such a convoluted and stupid system. I understand Disney has to raise prices every year because costs go up. I’m fine with dinner parties and other upsells. It all helps offset their massive costs and means more rides. I’m even fine with paying a small to moderate increase every year in prices. I’m not okay with having a convoluted system shoved down my throat that will hurt my experience and increase the cost of my trip even more. There are so many other ways for these people to make money it is not even funny. For a company that loves to call themselves creative, they are just trying to apply AI technology to a theme park. The Aladdin service is what this is really all about. New flash: a theme park is an economy. Wait times are prices. Everyone has different preferences and tolerances. No system disney can possibly implement will ever maximize the guest experience as efficiently as wait times and standby queues. Disney is going to kill their theme parks business if they do this. They will still have all the same rides. The same capacity. But, everyone will have a worse experience because they don’t understand that people can’t be managed.

I'm guessing you're against any form of paid system? I don't think it will all be app based. There is a reason for the kiosks. You can pay for your FPs there. It has nothing to do with maximising the guest experience, its all about making money off of something that used to be included.

 

[Disstevefan1]

I don’t think they will move to such an app based park experience in the near future because there are too many people who will not understand it. They can kiss goodbye to their foreign visitors and less tech savvy guests if they implement something this complicated. It will hurt the guest experience for literally everyone except the few who pay for the premium service. What they have now is perfect. I would prefer to pay more for admission and keep what is now in place than go to such a convoluted and stupid system. I understand Disney has to raise prices every year because costs go up. I’m fine with dinner parties and other upsells. It all helps offset their massive costs and means more rides. I’m even fine with paying a small to moderate increase every year in prices. I’m not okay with having a convoluted system shoved down my throat that will hurt my experience and increase the cost of my trip even more. There are so many other ways for these people to make money it is not even funny. For a company that loves to call themselves creative, they are just trying to apply AI technology to a theme park. The Aladdin service is what this is really all about. New flash: a theme park is an economy. Wait times are prices. Everyone has different preferences and tolerances. No system disney can possibly implement will ever maximize the guest experience as efficiently as wait times and standby queues. Disney is going to kill their theme parks business if they do this. They will still have all the same rides. The same capacity. But, everyone will have a worse experience because they don’t understand that people can’t be managed.

TWDC is launching the complicated FastPass system in DLP like it or not, WDW will follow, like it or not.

TWDC has proved they they do not care about the guest experience long before this.

TWDC will raise prices on everything, create more hard ticket events and other upsells AND will also charge for FastPass.

TWDC will use any and all ways to make more money including charge for FastPass.

TWDC loves to call itself a creative company, but we must never forget they are a publicly traded company, beholding to their shareholders.

TWDC does not care if anyone understands the new system, they already have their money by the time they are in the park, totally confused..

TWDC CAN'T BE KILLED.

TWDC has learned even a pandemic can't kill their theme park business, it only made them stronger.