Fast & Furious- Supercharged details officially released

Casper Gutman

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You absolutely lost me there.

Jaws was one of the most immersive rides ever built. The original Kong had arguably the most impressive AA in Orlando.

Both were a full five minutes long of actual ride time.

Both had highly immersive queues/entrances that were fully themed.

Kongfrontation's technical glitches were worked out within months. Once Jaws was redone by a reputable company within the first couple of years, it had no more technical issues than any other attraction.

You either didn't have much experience with them, or a really faulty memory.

That said, F&FS is unimpressive because they didn't do crap to elevate it from the tram stop version. And the filmed content is just lackluster, not to mention the acting is HORRIBLE.
I have a very clear memory of both attractions, despite your concerns.

Both felt very, for lack of a better term, stagebound. Jaws never felt like anything other than a trip in a tight circle around a loop of water in a theme park. Jungle Cruise, for instance, does a much better job of “losing” the rider in the space of the ride and thus creating a sense of immersion. Kong had this same issue, being obviously a tight loop of track. (In fairness, the same charge can be leveled against neo-Kong and FaF.)

Both had terribly designed ride vehicles that limited guests’ ability to see the action. Riders often caught little more than glimpses of the action that was the meat of the ride. Kong may have been a good AA, but the vehicles weren’t designed to let most riders see that.

The effects never felt organic. The movement of the cars in Kong, for instance, never actually gave the impression that one was being shaken by a giant ape.

And while Kong had a nicely done queue, the line for Jaws was certainly nothing to write home about. And for its many faults, I don’t think anyone can claim Uni hasn’t really upped their themed queue game.

My impression, even among Uni fans, is that, despite nostalgia for the rides, their flawed nature was fairly widely acknowledged. Certainly, Uni was never held up as genuine competition for WDW until both rides were gone or on their way out.
 
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rhino4evr

Active Member
Couple thoughts on the folks attacking FOP, and my opinion in general.

If you can't tell the difference between Soarin and FOP, then your senses are way out of whack. I rode both recently and I found Soarin over the World to be snooze worthy, and FOP to be exhilarating. Completely different rides.

You may hate the IP, but the ride doesn't really require you to like it. The "sensation" the ride provides is the attraction. Not the tall blue people. It's visually stunning to look at.

No ride is worth waiting 4 hours for. I could see how waiting that long may alter your experience. I waited 15 mins thanks to fastpass. I'd never wait more than 60 mins to ride this, and even that's pushing it. I won't be back on until I can score another FP, or the ride's popularity fades (this could be awhile).

My whole point was that Disney and UOR have released a "screen based ride" recently. One is a state of the art attraction that is (in my opinion) the best screen best ride ever created (sorry Spiderman). The other is a 3 year old movie in a bus, filled with a terrible story, and lackluster special effects.

The jury is out on how the two new semi/screen based Star Wars attractions will turn out, but I would wager they are going to be miles ahead of this copycat Tram ride clone.

You don't have to be a Disney or Uni fanboy to realize this.

It's just common sense.
 

Disneyhead'71

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F&F is going up against TSL and Infinity Falls. I predict Sea World will take this round.

Not a great year for Orlando attractions.

SW:GE will be going up against the Potter Coaster/Bourne Stunt Show and Sesame Street. Of course SW:GE will suck up all the media attention, but I do believe the Potter Coaster will be surprising, particularly coming on the heels of F&F. It's going to give Battle Escape a run for it's money.
 

Bairstow

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Any estimates on what Fast and Furious cost to develop and build? (Taking the CGI film as a paid asset) 25 million? Less?
 

zachrupertdsn

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Despite how bad some of the reviews have been for this, I am still excited to have another potential people eater in Universal, and I will try to go in with an open mind in October when I go to ride it.

I am curious if anyone with insider knowledge could share why this ride took so long to develop? Not trying to knock it, just genuinely curious what might have happened to delay this pretty simple looking ride.
 

JoeCamel

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Despite how bad some of the reviews have been for this, I am still excited to have another potential people eater in Universal, and I will try to go in with an open mind in October when I go to ride it.

I am curious if anyone with insider knowledge could share why this ride took so long to develop? Not trying to knock it, just genuinely curious what might have happened to delay this pretty simple looking ride.
This ride was slow walked to soft opening. It suffered from some of the same teething pains as Kong did but they didn't want it open til May so no rush to get it open. This fits the 1 per year and will be open for the summer crowds. Lagoon show, T2/Borne show yet to come and new rumors are swirling for what will be after that.
 

Tom Morrow

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Original Poster
I really think they're gonna have to bite the bullet and rework this. At the VERY least, the horrible, horrible FBI party raid scene needs to be re-done. Give it some believable acting and some action, not just a bunch of awkward pauses, while the riders sit, motionless, waiting for it to end.
 

Stripes

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I do believe the Potter Coaster will be surprising, particularly coming on the heels of F&F. It's going to give Battle Escape a run for it's money.
Err, it's a themed coaster. Battle Escape is Shanghai Pirates 2.0. I don't think there is any room for a reasonable comparison here.

I expect GotG and Tron to edge out Potter.
 
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Swoosh32

Member
I really think they're gonna have to bite the bullet and rework this. At the VERY least, the horrible, horrible FBI party raid scene needs to be re-done. Give it some believable acting and some action, not just a bunch of awkward pauses, while the riders sit, motionless, waiting for it to end.

Have you seen a F&F movie? The acting in them is horrible. So is it surprising that the same actors delivered the same results for this ride?
 

Casper Gutman

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Err, it's a themed coaster. Battle Escape is Shanghai Pirates 2.0. I don't think there is any room for a reasonable comparison here.

I expect GotG and Tron to thrash Potter.
I mean, we know what Tron is. It’s a short coaster in the dark with lights effects. All info we have on GotG is that it’s essentially the same thing. It is highly unlikely they “thrash” Potter, unless Uni really screws up, which our insiders aren’t indicating is likely.

Alcatraz better thrash Potter, frankly. If it doesn’t open as the best attraction in Orlando, WDW is in real trouble. It’s Disney’s first attempt at a homerrun since AK opened.
 

AEfx

Well-Known Member
I have a very clear memory of both attractions, despite your concerns.

Both felt very, for lack of a better term, stagebound. Jaws never felt like anything other than a trip in a tight circle around a loop of water in a theme park. Jungle Cruise, for instance, does a much better job of “losing” the rider in the space of the ride and thus creating a sense of immersion. Kong had this same issue, being obviously a tight loop of track. (In fairness, the same charge can be leveled against neo-Kong and FaF.)

Both had terribly designed ride vehicles that limited guests’ ability to see the action. Riders often caught little more than glimpses of the action that was the meat of the ride. Kong may have been a good AA, but the vehicles weren’t designed to let most riders see that.

The effects never felt organic. The movement of the cars in Kong, for instance, never actually gave the impression that one was being shaken by a giant ape.

And while Kong had a nicely done queue, the line for Jaws was certainly nothing to write home about. And for its many faults, I don’t think anyone can claim Uni hasn’t really upped their themed queue game.

My impression, even among Uni fans, is that, despite nostalgia for the rides, their flawed nature was fairly widely acknowledged. Certainly, Uni was never held up as genuine competition for WDW until both rides were gone or on their way out.


I have to say I disagree with nearly every single one of these statements, except for the fact that yes, the viewing on certain sides was better than others (but as you compare, I would say the same for a number of Disney experiences, as well - the Safari, Jungle Cruise, etc).

To each their own, I guess - but in my experience, particularly with Jaws, it is way more than "nostalgia". In terms of bringing a film experience to life - you are in that water with a mechanical shark, just like the films.

That said, just to clarify - I don't just count the queue for Jaws, but the entire area around it - like Kong, it was perfectly themed - to Disney-levels.
 

AEfx

Well-Known Member
Any estimates on what Fast and Furious cost to develop and build? (Taking the CGI film as a paid asset) 25 million? Less?

I am sure someone will recall - I can't find any links this second, but when the CA version launched it was supposedly 100M+...and that was for the tram tour version.
 

Rich Brownn

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Well, finally got on F&F today (first time broke down leaving loading dock. Boy, when those things stop, they REALLY stop). So... here's my take-away:

The Good:
Its nice the 360 room has a front screen. Makes it seem more complete
The "speed tunnel" effect really does work well
The practical sets looked cool

The mediocre
The queue. If you're a fan of F&F, cars or garages I guess its cool, For me, it felt like I wandered backstage somewhere.
The buses are ugly.

The bad:
The pre-shows are dumb, and actually unless you're a F&F fan, even more confusing (Who is Shaw? Why is the FBI after the good guys? Or are they bad guys? Why did the party become a diversion. Who ARE these people?)
the acting is terrible - and I mean the F&F actors. Half the time it felt like they were waiting for a prompter to shout out their lines. And they looked bored.
The 360 is terrible. And I don't just mean the effects. The image is blurry, the contrast washed out, and its dim. It doesn't;t look like a video game as much as a VHS tape blown up to high def
The motion base barely moved, except to tilt. So sitting still in front of the screen felt like... sitting still in front of a screen.
I know Universal likes to spritz with water. But I felt like someone threw an entire glass of water at me at one point.
The ending feels like they literally just fell out of road
I still really dont understand what storyline there was.

Afterwards I rode Kong:
The image, even with 3D, was brighter, clearer and sharper. And I swear F&F didn't approach the 60fps Kong does.
The storyline is cleaner, if we have to wait for Kate to be rescued by radio
The motion base really cranks
The additions to the tram version are all pluses (The outside, the bat-tropics, even the set up 3-D scenes)

In short, Kong showed how to take a tram show and make it a standalone. F&F felt cheap, rushed and incomplete.

If wr still hd the Disney ticket books, Kong would be a D. F&F would be one of those freebies someone sponsored.
 

Bairstow

Well-Known Member
Alcatraz better thrash Potter, frankly. If it doesn’t open as the best attraction in Orlando, WDW is in real trouble. It’s Disney’s first attempt at a homerrun since AK opened.

How are you defining "attempt at a home-run"?

I am sure someone will recall - I can't find any links this second, but when the CA version launched it was supposedly 100M+...and that was for the tram tour version.

Oh lord.
I sincerely hope that half of that was given to The Rock to show up for 3 hours and another 30 million was embezzled, or else there's just no excuse for it.
The local personal injury attorneys around here get better CGI for their commercials.
 

Tom Morrow

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Original Poster
Even TheTimTracker, who generally finds a positive spin to put on everything, struggled to find positive things to say about it:


"It's air conditioned, it will eat up crowds, it will entertain you!"
Have you seen a F&F movie? The acting in them is horrible. So is it surprising that the same actors delivered the same results for this ride?
Yeah, but there's a difference between bad acting and clearly being shoved in front of a teleprompter with little to no context and looking bored.
The bad:
The pre-shows are dumb, and actually unless you're a F&F fan, even more confusing (Who is Shaw? Why is the FBI after the good guys? Or are they bad guys? Why did the party become a diversion. Who ARE these people?)
Yes! I'm not very familiar with the films and there's just no context at all. There are four different scenes to set up the high speed escort - two queue pre shows, the tunnel segment at the beginning of the ride, and the FBI party raid. Yet it still doesn't make sense. That has never been an issue before. When I originally rode Forbidden Journey I knew nothing about Harry Potter and I still loved it, and it made me want to read and watch all of it. Same thing with Avatar.
 
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JT3000

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Err, it's a themed coaster.

Yeah, so?

Battle Escape is Shanghai Pirates 2.0. I don't think there is any room for a reasonable comparison here.

Err, it's a themed boat ride.

I expect GotG and Tron to thrash Potter.

Why, because they're at Disney? Does sprinkling fairy dust onto a themed coaster suddenly make it something worthwhile, unlike the one you just dismissed outright without knowing a single thing about it yet, other than its theme and location?

I'm genuinely curious.
 

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