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Fantasyland expansion construction update 12/13/11
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ob1thx1138
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This picture makes me ask the question: Why didn't they just tear down all of the original tent structure? I mean it looks like none of the original profile is going to be used at all.
This is like building a new house around an old one. Its one thing to just put an addition on, but when the entire old house is inside of the new one that is just a little ridiculous.
The only reason I can see for doing this is perhaps it was easier to get a refurb permit than a demolish and rebuild permit.
danlb_2000
Premium Member
This picture makes me ask the question: Why didn't they just tear down all of the original tent structure? I mean it looks like none of the original profile is going to be used at all.
This is like building a new house around an old one. Its one thing to just put an addition on, but when the entire old house is inside of the new one that is just a little ridiculous.
The only reason I can see for doing this is perhaps it was easier to get a refurb permit than a demolish and rebuild permit.
I have always been skeptical about the cost saving of new construciton vs refurb on a project this size and this has been discussed here before. But in this case that only becomes an issue if they aren't going to take down the original frame. If they leave the original fram I don't see what purpose it will serve in the new tent.
Dan
Plus the pillars from the new steel frames will be directly in the middle of the tent. Which seems a bit odd.
jjharvpro
Active Member
The progress is incredible! Wow!!
ozzel1
Member
longtime reader - first time poster. So I make this statement knowing the skepticisim in which it will be met.
the answer to the question of reusing an existing structure for the circus tents is probably the same as to why they used two walls from the old 20K for Little Mermaid - There is a tax when they put up a new structure. They can pay the taxes over the life of the structure, but if they tear it down, they have to pay it off.
By using existing structures not only do they not have to pay off any remaining taxes (probably not much in these cases), but becase it's a "refirb" they don't pay taxes on a new structure.
There is at least one case where a structure was removed before being paid off - the Epcot 'wand' we all disliked cost more to maintain than to just pay off and remove.
This.
There are also a variety of fees that are imposed, namely impact fees, when a new structure is build. Remodels are commonly exempt from impact fees, which can easily approach 6-7 figures when you are looking at a project of this size. I see projects almost weekly were nothing more that a few feet of wall are kept to avoid paying impact fees.
danlb_2000
Premium Member
Ok, I am becoming less skepical now. Either way, it still doesn't explain what's happening with the tents. Persumable they could have removed all the steal, just left the concrete pad and called it a refurb. If they are leaving the old steal I am just having a hard time seeing how it will all fit together.
danlb_2000
Premium Member
Yeah, I am starting to think this is what will happen, the old structure will hold the internal surface, and the new structure the external. The next question is, will they recover it in canvas like a real tent, or go with something more solid like they are doing on the Dumbo tent.
Dan
Not necessary. There are very specific guidelines that must be followed for a project to be classified as a remodel. I am far from an expert on the subject, but it is my understanding that just leaving part of the foundation would not cut it. Some of the vertical structure must remain.
PhilharMagician
Well-Known Member
Well it looks like they are ready to add on another few hundred feet of construction walls in the near future. There a few stacks of wall panels and piles of block to weight down the back of the walls. With the location of the walls I would suspect they are for when Dumbo closes and the remaining FL walls are added.
Well it looks like they are ready to add on another few hundred feet of construction walls in the near future. There a few stacks of wall panels and piles of block to weight down the back of the walls. With the location of the walls I would suspect they are for when Dumbo closes and the remaining FL walls are added.
Yes it does. I didn't even notice that.
Murphketeer
Member
Are thes pictures really from 12/5?
Unplugged
Well-Known Member
I also noted that in this photo, the sides of the bridge that has the arched bottom have been poured and they have rebar inplace for the walkway over the bridge. The aerial photos from a week or 2 ago show only the arch of the bottom of the bridge.
Thanks for the photo by the way. Amazing how the progress is moving as we see large changes weekly. Fun to watch since I can't be there until next year's family trip!
PyroKinesis
Active Member
It seems like so much is being added in such a small area, and yet it looks huge to the naked eye. Amazing.
danlb_2000
Premium Member
I don't see much work on the pathways in the BatB and LM area, just the bridges which really need to be completed before the pathways start going in. There is a lot of work on the path by the tea cups since that path needs to open by February.
Dan
Mike730
Well-Known Member
Yes. I'm nearly certain about this as well. At least for houses, one wall at minimum must remain in order for it to be "refurbishment" and to get the breaks in taxes that the other posters referred to. I had a house around the corner from me get demolished and they left just one wall sticking up at the very end. Even a bit of the foundation was destroyed.
As for the tents, I think its most likely for this reason as well as the possible use for insulation.