Fantasyland expansion a go - CONFIRMED

EPCOT Explorer

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And now just by concept art Little Mermaid.

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I LOVE our facade, but I gotta say, the Seaquarium looks nice too. Stained Glass FTW!
I like to do the Fantasyland dark rides! :lol:

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Must you depress me!? :(:lol:

Great point. Nailed it.

And it isn't just at DL. DLP and even HKDL get the little things ... the Disney Details down.

WDW? Not so much. Certainly, DAK does. EPCOT did and still does in areas.

But overall? Nope. It's the Bigger is Better mentality ...

A wife of a friend (he is a Disney nut, she puts up with him) calls the MK a 'mass market characture of DL' ... I am hard-pressed to put it better.

I have to agree. DL and other parks (Like EPCOT and DAK at times!) look like ART. They have a presence, a vibe, a feeling.

MK? It used to. It still does in a few places, and only because or recent changes. But it still appears to be a business Disneyland.

I'm thinking and hoping that it's in the process of changing.
DLP's F-land is phenomenal (of course, so aren't all the other lands). Actually looks better than pics above as many things (especially Alice) have been rehabbed since then (I may get pics online myself at some point).

And while I do believe MK's will look great when completed, there are still two caveats to that.

1.) we don't know whether or to what extent any of the 'older' sections of the land will be improved.;

and

2.) even if this area is as spectacular as some fanbois want to believe, it still will not equal Paris or Anaheim due to the simple fact that they both have far more attractions to begin with ... one top notch Mermaid ride, doubling Dumbo and swapping out Tentland meet and greets for better themed ones doesn't equal MK suddenly leap-frogging Paris and Anaheim. Oh, and let's not forget that Mermaid is going on a large chunk of the site of what was once a major E-Ticket in a lushly landscaped area of its own as well.
Besides that, and just looking at the look of the parks, compared, I'm thinking and again, hoping that our FL will measure up. The art alone foretells of this.
 

_Scar

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I'm curious. Is Disneyland the 2nd most visisted park? Or are the top 4 all in WDW? I know Tokyo has very, very high attendance so I don't think so...
 

jt04

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You base land quality off quantity?

That's just wrong.



And dumb.

:xmas: :lol:

Sorry guys, but I agree with him. DL and DLP's have quantity and quality.

MK's will be great, but it won't have enough to bring it up to speed with these two resorts' Flands, IMO.

It won't "have enough" for you but then it was never meant to. I feel like a broken record. The new add to the MK is about families with younger children to have a place to enjoy the magic without getting trampled by teens, theme park "rangers" and never ending queues. John Lasseter has already explained all this. :brick:

Lets get with the program people. :cool:
 

tirian

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I have to agree. DL and other parks (Like EPCOT and DAK at times!) look like ART. They have a presence, a vibe, a feeling.

MK? It used to. It still does in a few places, and only because or recent changes. But it still appears to be a business Disneyland.

I agree to an extent. MK only feels like "business" in FL and TTF, and those are finally being addressed.

DL's Fantasyland is gorgeous. NOS and TT are very nice. But TL is a mess and FrL is practically useless except for BTMRR. Indiana Jones and the original Tiki Room are great, but AL is still severely cramped.

DLP has awful maintenance and the entire Tokyo resort suffers from too many Guests/not enough attractions.

Every park has problems. :shrug:

I'm thinking and hoping that it's in the process of changing.

Besides that, and just looking at the look of the parks, compared, I'm thinking and again, hoping that our FL will measure up. The art alone foretells of this.

It will, but count me to the growing list of people unhappy with the decision to keep the medieval tent façades. They don't bother me as much as the useless expanse of land between Pooh and Tomorrowland, or even as much as the ugly exterior of Cosmic Ray's; but I'm concerned that the Fantasyland expansion will make the older parts look silly.
 

EPCOT Explorer

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:xmas: :lol:



It won't "have enough" for you but then it was never meant to. I feel like a broken record. The new add to the MK is about families with younger children to have a place to enjoy the magic without getting trampled by teens, theme park "rangers" and never ending queues. John Lasseter has already explained all this. :brick:

Lets get with the program people. :cool:
I agree with about half of that. There's still the vast array and depth of theme that this place is going to have. Just walking around here and taking it in is going to be huge.

I agree to an extent. MK only feels like "business" in FL and TTF, and those are finally being addressed.

DL's Fantasyland is gorgeous. NOS and TT are very nice. But TL is a mess and FrL is practically useless except for BTMRR. Indiana Jones and the original Tiki Room are great, but AL is still severely cramped.

DLP has awful maintenance and the entire Tokyo resort suffers from too many Guests/not enough attractions.

Every park has problems. :shrug:



It will, but count me to the growing list of people unhappy with the decision to keep the medieval tent façades. They don't bother me as much as the useless expanse of land between Pooh and Tomorrowland, or even as much as the ugly exterior of Cosmic Ray's; but I'm concerned that the Fantasyland expansion will make the older parts look silly.
We just have the most?:lol::lookaroun

As for new parts to old....I'm thinking that the Castle Wall will be an effective barrier. Festival Tents :)rolleyes: Can't they go!?) on the inside, the "wilderness" and "village" on the outside.

It'll work well, thematically, buty I would like to see some new and unique facades for FL.
As of now, we're getting it, along with landscaping changes. :D
Joy!:sohappy:
 

WDW1974

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I agree to an extent. MK only feels like "business" in FL and TTF, and those are finally being addressed.

I dunno. A friend's wife is fond of describing MK as 'a mass market characture of DL' and after being at DLP followed by DL in a 72-hour period recently, that has really resonated.

The other MKs seem much more layered throughout. The narrative is more complete, telling and compelling. MK certainly was more detailed once than it is now.

And Fantasyland and the joke that is Mickey's Tentland are certainly the worst offenders, no doubt.

DL's Fantasyland is gorgeous. NOS and TT are very nice. But TL is a mess and FrL is practically useless except for BTMRR. Indiana Jones and the original Tiki Room are great, but AL is still severely cramped.

TL at DL is no more a mess than at MK. They both waste a lot of space. DL benefits from the sub lagoon ... with the monorails above the kinetics are amazing. Yeah, AL is tiny ... but what's there works greatly. I'll take it over MK any day. What greets you when you enter MK's A-land? A huge shuttered food outlet and a smoking area on the right and tacky crocs and crap carts on the left ..then you have a spinner and shuttered shops. At DL? Real tiki torches, shops that have some themed merchandise, then the JC/Indy area and even the cool entrance for Tarzan's Treehouse.

Frontierland on substance is a toss-up ... I love the fact you can see entertainers in the Golden Horseshoe at DL, albeit no review show. But what wins it for DLR is the beautiful tree-lined Big Thunder Trail and Ranch area. So ... I won't even give ya those two!:)

DLP has awful maintenance and the entire Tokyo resort suffers from too many Guests/not enough attractions.

Every park has problems. :shrug:

DLP is truly looking great (one huge exception being the Peter Pan queue, which needs an immediate graffiti removal). Overall, I'm not sure it's ever looked better in my visits. ... Indeed, Alice and Indy had just reopened from rehabs and looked amazing. I've never seen Alice so bright and vivid, with all its effects working. And the Plaza Gardens Restaurant was just reopened and looks brand new. There's also loads of new pavement in Discoveryland. ... There are still problem areas, but it really is looking good there.

As to TDR, I don't know how you can say it doesn't have enough attractions. WDW is king of having parks that are sadly lacking in the capacity department. I don't see that in Tokyo, although I still haven't been there ... but I am pretty up on what goes on there.

I do agree that every park has its own unique problems, no doubt.



It will, but count me to the growing list of people unhappy with the decision to keep the medieval tent façades. They don't bother me as much as the useless expanse of land between Pooh and Tomorrowland, or even as much as the ugly exterior of Cosmic Ray's; but I'm concerned that the Fantasyland expansion will make the older parts look silly.

I am hoping this isn't what winds up happening by the time we get to 2012-13. Fantasyland is butt ugly (well, not my butt ... that's a work of art:D!) and if half the land looks amazing, but half looks like the 1970s ... well, that's not good!
 

_Scar

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As to TDR, I don't know how you can say it doesn't have enough attractions. WDW is king of having parks that are sadly lacking in the capacity department. I don't see that in Tokyo, although I still haven't been there ... but I am pretty up on what goes on there.

I do agree that every park has its own unique problems, no doubt.

But the problem with TDL in particular is that it may have great capacity, but the crowds flock to 2-3 rides and get their waits to sometimes 2 hours. This never happens at WDW, that I've seen, but in trip reports I read about it all the time.
 

TP2000

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But the problem with TDL in particular is that it may have great capacity, but the crowds flock to 2-3 rides and get their waits to sometimes 2 hours. This never happens at WDW, that I've seen, but in trip reports I read about it all the time.

It's the local-driven attendance in Tokyo. They need to see whatever is new. The same thing happens a lot in Anaheim with the 800,000+ Annual Passholders and the 15 Million other people living within a 90 minute freeway drive of Disneyland between a triangle bordered by Ventura, Palm Springs, and San Diego. Walt was a pure genius for recognizing Anaheim as the center of a growing megalopolis of the future.

The thought from WDW1974 that Magic Kingdom is a "mass-market caricature of Disneyland" couldn't be more accurate in my opinion. There's this flatness, this broad and dull sense of operations that 'we do this just for silly tourists and not for Walt' that permeates much of WDW. And that feeling is most apparent at Magic Kingdom, perhaps because that park is most like what Walt knew about the show he was putting on for his guests in his park.

The other aspect of that feeling comes from there being such great untapped potential at Magic Kingdom. It's like it could be the most amazing theme park in the world, but they forgot the combination to unlock it about 20 years ago. There a sense of style and showmanship and elegance that is missing in Magic Kingdom, but that can still be found at Disneyland. Magic Kingdom could get it back if they wanted and be more like Disneyland, but it's like they don't know how.

I would hope that this silly One Disney thing might be able to import some managers from Anaheim out to Orlando to re-teach them how to run a Disneyland. The big New Fantasyland project coming in 2012-13 might be just the perfect opportunity for that type of cultural exchange at the management level to take place. :)

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_Scar

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Maybe there's a reason why MK is the #1 park worldwide. You can most likely do all the rides within a day, if rushing, or 2 days and never experience a line, without FP, over 50 minutes (besides the occasional Splash and always Dumbo which as we know is changing for the better).

'we do this just for silly tourists and not for Walt'- I never get that feeling. I've seen so many CMs help when not even warranted and going the extra mile. I think you're just pulling this opinion out because it might help your argument. As far as I know, the employees would be fired if they didn't do their job above and beyond what's expected.
 

WDW1974

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But the problem with TDL in particular is that it may have great capacity, but the crowds flock to 2-3 rides and get their waits to sometimes 2 hours. This never happens at WDW, that I've seen, but in trip reports I read about it all the time.

Not exactly true. Some of the more popular attractions at TDL (things like Hunny Hunt, Monsters, Mansion Holiday, Splash etc) can -- and do -- regularly have waits that can be double that. Yeah, crazy. But true.

And WDW regularly has attractions with ridiculous wait times ... Space and Splash are probably the worst at MK. Soarin and TT can put you in a queue for hours at EPCOT. I could go on ... but it does happen, and regularly.

And Fastpass makes things even worse at every park.
 

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