Fantasyland Birds-eye view without 20K

mkepcotmgmak

Well-Known Member
askmike1 said:
local.live.com is Microsoft Live. For a direct link to the old 20k site, go here.

thank you! i know this sounds dumb, but i was just at this same site, and i went box by box from epcot to the magic kingdom main entrance sign, and that's as far as it would let me go in "bird's eye view" mode. i could go all the way through MK in "aerial" but not bird's eye.

thanks, again!:wave:
 

aeillill

Active Member
Wow! I didn't realize how much more room there was. I hope sometime in the future they put another attraction or two in there, not an expansion of the playground or anything
 

askmike1

Member
mkepcotmgmak said:
i could go all the way through MK in "aerial" but not bird's eye.

thanks, again!:wave:
No problem. You had to go just north of toontown to get into birds-eye-view. After going to BIV, you needed to change the direction to south & you can navigate all of MK (in MK, you just can't be north which is the default).
 

Magicot

Member
This is truly an amazing photograph. Look at all that land! I don't understand why some people here are unhappy about this. It shows so much hope and promise that imagineering won't be hindered by minimal land. It's a fresh start for any new (or cloned) attractions in the magic kingdom.

If I were to put money on it- I would say that the next thing or things to be seen in there would have to do with The Little Mermaid and/or Finding Nemo. Just a guess- but I'm stickin to it!

PS:
-Would I like to see Nemo there? Not at all.
-Is it probable? Possibly.
-Would a Mary Poppins attraction in there be amazing? Of course!
-Will it show up? Unlikely.
 

CaptainMichael

Well-Known Member
Magicot said:
This is truly an amazing photograph. Look at all that land! I don't understand why some people here are unhappy about this. It shows so much hope and promise that imagineering won't be hindered by minimal land. It's a fresh start for any new (or cloned) attractions in the magic kingdom.

If I were to put money on it- I would say that the next thing or things to be seen in there would have to do with The Little Mermaid and/or Finding Nemo. Just a guess- but I'm stickin to it!

PS:
-Would I like to see Nemo there? Not at all.
-Is it probable? Possibly.
-Would a Mary Poppins attraction in there be amazing? Of course!
-Will it show up? Unlikely.
I think Nemo will pretty much be played out with the Living Seas and the stage show.

I've got my fingers crossed for a major addition there for WDW's 50th.
 

PintoColvig

Active Member
I found Windows Live a week ago. Man, what a lot of fun!

Here's a question...
I'm looking at the BEV of just north of the MK. Does anyone know where the fireworks are launched from up there?
 

WDWGuide

Active Member
If they wanted to, they could add a whole new land back there by clearing some of the land behind the lagoon and/or removing Mickey's Toontown Fair and possibly even the Speedway, neither of which will be all that sorely missed by most visitors.
 

ballewclan

New Member
WDWGuide said:
If they wanted to, they could add a whole new land back there by clearing some of the land behind the lagoon and/or removing Mickey's Toontown Fair and possibly even the Speedway, neither of which will be all that sorely missed by most visitors.

I dont think the speedway will ever actually leave the park, well the present one might but the idea wont ever, because we are constantly using transportation, in 100 years who knows they might have the hover-raceway.

Also toontown fair in my opinion doesnt add that much, but for parents with children im guessing it gives them some time to rest and also the giant meet and greet area is popular. So they could potentially tear out toontown but i kinda doubt that because it's a big part of the park. I mean how could someone demolish Minnie's house?! I think it would be pretty cool however if they made it more of a neighborhood effect and not so much the 'fair' idea. A few more houses with a few more characters would be cool or larger houses for the existing characters.

Sorry thread drift.

For the 20K spot i hope they put a nice technologically advanced dark ride!
 

CaptainMichael

Well-Known Member
MooseImagineer said:
^Big open space sitting there for 15 years..but then, disney is known to do that...
Well, technically, it would only be vacant for 11-12 more years before construction would start, and Magic Kingdom doesn't really need anything big for awhile. A "revamped" Space Mountain is on the horizon and many refurbs/replacements are taking place right now.
 

aeillill

Active Member
Magicot said:
PS:
-Would I like to see Nemo there? Not at all.
-Is it probable? Possibly.
-Would a Mary Poppins attraction in there be amazing? Of course!
-Will it show up Unlikely.

Another Nemo ride in my opinion would just be overkill, even by disney standards.
 

tirian

Well-Known Member
Thanks, Speck, for posting this picture! It proves what many of us have tried to convince others of for quite a while...that the playground barely affects the actual 20K site, and that the land has been leveled for a new attraction.

The problem is... what attraction? Whatever goes there will make use of both the old lagoon and show building areas. A park-wide manager (meaning that he oversees the entire MK, not just an area) told me that an E-ticket attraction was once strongly considered for the site, but the budget was never approved; and the attraction never got past Blue Sky.

EDIT: Someone else already posted this, but I want to reiterate: Draining a former lagoon; filling it; leveling a show building; planting grass over it; constructing a very small, well-themed playground; and landscaping the area cost nearly as much as constructing a new attraction. Financing new rides takes time once a park is operating; Disney has to maintain everything that's already in the MK, pay everyone, and still get the budget for a new attraction. Replacing an under-used attraction that's in a prime location in Tomorrowland was simply more important (and less expensive!) than building something in Fantasyland.
 

speck76

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
tirian said:
Thanks, Speck, for posting this picture! It proves what many of us have tried to convince others of for quite a while...that the playground barely affects the actual 20K site, and that the land has been leveled for a new attraction.

The problem is... what attraction? Whatever goes there will make use of both the old lagoon and show building areas. A park-wide manager (meaning that he oversees the entire MK, not just an area) told me that an E-ticket attraction was once strongly considered for the site, but the budget was never approved; and the attraction never got past Blue Sky.

EDIT: Someone else already posted this, but I want to reiterate: Draining a former lagoon; filling it; leveling a show building; planting grass over it; constructing a very small, well-themed playground; and landscaping the area cost nearly as much as constructing a new attraction. Financing new rides takes time once a park is operating; Disney has to maintain everything that's already in the MK, pay everyone, and still get the budget for a new attraction. Replacing an under-used attraction that's in a prime location in Tomorrowland was simply more important (and less expensive!) than building something in Fantasyland.
In addition to your comments, MK is the most visited park at WDW, and has seen a considerable amount of change in the last 4-5 years....much moreso than MGM, which is lacking in attendance, and has a dated feel to much of the park. There are limited funds for capital improvements at WDW, and they need to be spread amongst all of the parks.....but the majority needs to be spent at the parks that will benefit from new expansion....the MK would see less benefit than MGM, or even DAK.
 

Figment1986

Well-Known Member
Wow.. I didn't think that was huge... lol well.. not doing anything else with it shows they have it left for something... Toon Town expansion or whatever...

(Rogger rabbit anyone?)
 

Captain Chaos

Well-Known Member
What do you think the possibility is that we will soon be seeing Arile's Grotto expanded to include more of a land, kind of like Mermaid Lagoon?
 

ogryn

Well-Known Member
unkadug said:
Here's another view:
20K_copy1.jpg


I love Microsoft Live !!

Hidden Mickey?

(Go on... if you really squint!)
 

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