Epcot rumor per Jim Hill...

ToTBellHop

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One thing that should be clear to everyone is that LOTS of ideas are being developed for Epcot. I am happy Disney is finally planning to do SOMETHING with the park instead of letting it sit and decay. We can argue over the direction they are taking (although I personally think that shouldn't be in News and Rumors), but at least they are finally taking a direction and committing large sums of money toward it.
 

jrogue

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I will be so mad if they change that ride again. :mad::mad: I loved the original, as it represented Mexican culture very well. I still enjoy the ride with the Three Caballeros refurbishment, since that is one of my favorite Disney movies (and the only thing I could ever find from Disney representing my half Mexican heritage really well) If they want to increase traffic there they should just open a meet and greet with Panchito and Jose.

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(edit: I am fully aware that I may be the only one who would go to that meet and greet but I don't care. I will keep it SO BUSY. lol)
 

wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
Premium Member
Aladdin dark ride in morocco and a ratatouille ride in paris
With all due respect......why? Preferably an answer that consists more than simply stating that "Epcot needs love" and/or that "the IP's are based in those countries". I only say that because those answers are nothing more than a simple, easy solution to a larger problem.
 

slappy magoo

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Anyone notice that the conversation is veering toward the premise of inserting IPs into WS? What happened to the consternation over GOTG in FW where that IP didn't fit the theme? I'm conflicted. On the one hand, FW needs some love especially Energy and Imagination. I don't really know what is the best thing there. On the other hand, I want WS to be more about the countries than IPs. I didn't mind character M&Gs so much and Three Callaberos is so old, I never really thought of it as an IP. But once Frozen was put in, the precedent was really set. Now it's all about what is the best IP to shoehorn into a specific country pavilion. Sigh. . .
I'm more comfortable using IPs if they're used as a sort of primer to a country's culture or history. If the Canada pavilion wanted to update their film to include the moose from Brother Bear, but used them as a way to talk about Canadian history or actual Canadian folklore or legends, it would be an entertaining way to do it...it would also be ironic because the moose are based on the Bob & Doug MacKenzie characters Dave Thomas and Rick Moranis created for SCTV, and they were created specifically as a rebuttal to criticism from the CBC that, by satirizing so much American culture, the show wasn't "Canadian" enough. The reaction was along the lines "most of the cast and production crew are Canadian and we shoot in Canada. What else do we need to do to make it Canadian - have two guys wearing toques and drinking beer in front of a giant map of Canada?" And boom, legends are born.

But back on topic, if Remy from Ratatouille was used as a conduit to talk about French culture or history, I wouldn't find that to be a bad thing (and anything that gives Patton Oswalt a smidge more work, I'm down with it, poor guy). If Mulan did a brief history of China, great, if it were real history (which is a bone of contention with the Frozen Ever After attraction). And use IPs in Future World much the same way, like the Nemo overlay in Living Seas, if it satisfies the original plan to educate AND entertain, even if the delivery method is not what WD himself preferred.
 

ToTBellHop

Well-Known Member
The ONLY change I'd support in The American Adventure is a new edit of the closing montage, which is aging a little past its sell-by date.
Eh. I'd support an update to the actual show that maintained the same tone and purpose as the current show. Every once in awhile, Disney updates a classic in an appropriate way.

I actually thought the Jeremy Irons SSE was perfectly acceptable following the Cronkite version. And I enjoy most of the interior updates made to Haunted Mansion last decade.
 

ToTBellHop

Well-Known Member
I'm more comfortable using IPs if they're used as a sort of primer to a country's culture or history. If the Canada pavilion wanted to update their film to include the moose from Brother Bear, but used them as a way to talk about Canadian history or actual Canadian folklore or legends, it would be an entertaining way to do it...it would also be ironic because the moose are based on the Bob & Doug MacKenzie characters Dave Thomas and Rick Moranis created for SCTV, and they were created specifically as a rebuttal to criticism from the CBC that, by satirizing so much American culture, the show wasn't "Canadian" enough. The reaction was along the lines "most of the cast and production crew are Canadian and we shoot in Canada. What else do we need to do to make it Canadian - have two guys wearing toques and drinking beer in front of a giant map of Canada?" And boom, legends are born.

But back on topic, if Remy from Ratatouille was used as a conduit to talk about French culture or history, I wouldn't find that to be a bad thing (and anything that gives Patton Oswalt a smidge more work, I'm down with it, poor guy). If Mulan did a brief history of China, great, if it were real history (which is a bone of contention with the Frozen Ever After attraction). And use IPs in Future World much the same way, like the Nemo overlay in Living Seas, if it satisfies the original plan to educate AND entertain, even if the delivery method is not what WD himself preferred.
Agreed. Properly integrated characters can make educational material more accessible, and this is perfectly in line with Epcot's traditional goal to "edutain." If, on the other hand, they just dropped the Rat ride on top of the France pavilion, that would be upsetting.

As a closer-to-reality example, if they had kept the same tone and purpose in the Living Seas and merely added the Nemo characters to visuals and video displays next to the animals as a means to draw in younger kids, I'd find that perfectly acceptable. Zoos, museums, and aquaria (and, indeed, school teachers) do the exact same thing. I don't honestly find the character integration in Seabase itself to be particularly intrusive. It's the ride and perhaps Turtle Talk that detract from the goal of edutaining guests. And it gets worse with time. The new Turtle Talk does nothing to educate guests about sea animals while the previous version at least tried to throw in facts about some of the animals. Now it's just a virtual meet and greet with the stars of the new film.

Likewise, the traditional Sea Cab ride that just happened to integrate those screens in the tank to show Nemo swimming with the real fish would have been a clever use of technology and cute.
 

Kylo Ken

Local Idiot
Aladdin has no connection to Morocco, they just put the characters there because there was no Arabic pavilion at Epcot and they decided Morocco was close enough.
Hey you never know, maybe they'll build the Persian resort after all and put him there ;);)
 

Sped2424

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Coco as it stands is FAR more appropriate for the Mexico Pavilion than our 3 bird friends whose only tie to the pavilion is one character of the group being from there if we are being perfectly honest here. That said they would have to do MAJOR reworking as the queue for the caballero's ride is nonexistent and can barely even handle a 20 minute wait. Also this is another ride being taken out in place of another one so I don't know how that will help frozen in the slightest. What the world showcase needs is a ride in a pavilion that has none.
 
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lifeguard1020

Active Member
But Spaceship Earth has been altered.

And if I remember correctly, there was a certain point in time that Spaceship Earth was supposed to go away entirely...
It honestly may be just my imagination, but i thought i remembered seeing drawings of the entirely different Future World side of EPCPT that was planned out pretty far...
 

Brian Swan

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Mulan, Ratatouille, and... Brother Bear? This has been beaten to death already, but of those, Ratatouille actually takes place in Paris. Mulan... that's the Han Dynasty, which is historic China. In neither case does the story take place in a fictional city or deal with a fictional subject matter.
No, there's nothing fictional about rats who are gourmet cooks and talking dragons... :)
 

Brian Swan

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Coco as it stands is FAR more appropriate for the Mexico Pavilion than our 3 bird friends whose only tie to the pavilion is one character of the group is from there if we are being perfectly honest here. That being said they would have to do MAJOR reworking as the queue for the caballero's ride is nonexistent and can barely even handle a 20 minute wait. Also this is another ride being taken out in place of another one so I don't know how that will help frozen in the slightest. What the world showcase needs is a ride in a pavilion that has none.
There's always the back half of the Frozen expansion pad; theoretically, they could put something in there and ADD a new ride to Mexico. But having 2 rides in Mexico when most of WS has none doesn't seem to make much sense. And I just don't see them creating a brand new ride from the ground up in less than 3 or 4 years...
 

mouse_luv

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I don't think it would be smart for Disney at the moment to create an attraction based on a movie that hasn't come out yet (I also don't want them to ruin the current Mexico ride lol. Viva the three caballeros!).

I agree until you said about ruining the Mexico ride as is. Sorry that was ruined when they installed the 3 Cabs.
 

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