EPCOT Resorts Cancelled Monorail Loop

[Tom]

Isn't Uni's moving walkway about 10 miles long?

Seems like it.

 

[freediverdude]

Isn't Uni's moving walkway about 10 miles long?

It's across two parking garages, sure, but that's no where near the distance we're talking about here. I dunno, maybe we should measure distances to see if it's really as far as it looks on the map? It looks like about a mile on the map, but who knows maybe it's not.

 

[All Disney All The Time]

Not remotely true. The monorail masterplan for Epcot to Studios put the beam in a space between Yacht Club and Swan/Dolphin, not directly through it. The black squares are simply a design feature from Michael Graves.

The "black squares" are where the gangs of Ukranian identity thieves will receive the signals from MagicBands that will allow them to steal our personal and financial data.

Oh wait, this just in; it's not Ukranian gangs, they're actually Bosnian. Or maybe Chinese. Anyway it's a black ops kinda thingie.

 

[bubbles1812]

@PeterAlt Out of curiosity, if Disney came to you today saying we are interested in your plan but still really wary of the costs, especially in the light that the bus system is both flexible, the fact that the monorail has pretty limited space at the end of the day, and on the (relatively) cheap side (example... It's a lot cheaper to replace a bus than it is to replace a monorail car), how would you sell it?

You've said you've plan would save a lot of money but say they came back and said they don't want to do some of the things your plan suggests? (Example, no to a DHS parking structure). What adjustments could you/would you make? How does this pay back itself in 5-10 years? Based on estimated costs, I'm still not seeing it.

 

[PeterAlt]

@PeterAlt Out of curiosity, if Disney came to you today saying we are interested in your plan but still really wary of the costs, especially in the light that the bus system is both flexible, the fact that the monorail has pretty limited space at the end of the day, and on the (relatively) cheap side (example... It's a lot cheaper to replace a bus than it is to replace a monorail car), how would you sell it?

You've said you've plan would save a lot of money but say they came back and said they don't want to do some of the things your plan suggests? (Example, no to a DHS parking structure). What adjustments could you/would you make? How does this pay back itself in 5-10 years? Based on estimated costs, I'm still not seeing it.

If they expressed any interest (including interest in just parts of it), I would immediately take on a more professional attitude about it and start contacting professionals in the business, especially Bombardier. I might even fly to Canada to meet with people from Bombardier to discuss it in order to get some real numbers together. I would also meet with independent experts outside of Bombardier to get second and third opinions to make sure Bombardier isn't inflated their costs. I would also contact Mitsubishi in Japan because they make compatible systems and see if I could get a competition between the companies and a competing offer. I hope Disney reimburses me for the air travel for putting this together for them! Lol

 

[bubbles1812]

Y

If they expressed any interest (including interest in just parts of it), I would immediately take on a more professional attitude about it and start contacting professionals in the business, especially Bombardier. I might even fly to Canada to meet with people from Bombardier to discuss it in order to get some real numbers together. I would also meet with independent experts outside of Bombardier to get second and third opinions to make sure Bombardier isn't inflated their costs. I would also contact Mitsubishi in Japan because they make compatible systems and see if I could get a competition between the companies and a competing offer. I hope Disney reimburses me for the air travel for putting this together for them! Lol

Yes but what are your arguments against the bus system/for the monorail? Sorry maybe I didnt make myself clear. At this juncture, I feel like the monorail is such a hard sell... They've done without an expansion for 40 years so I'm just curious how you would sell it to them given the positives, especially from a monetary standpoint, for the bus system.

 

[PeterAlt]

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Yes but what are your arguments against the bus system/for the monorail? Sorry maybe I didnt make myself clear. At this juncture, I feel like the monorail is such a hard sell... They've done without an expansion for 40 years so I'm just curious how you would sell it to them given the positives, especially from a monetary standpoint, for the bus system.

A lot has changed in 40 years with automation and all that. Disney already said they will automate the existing system. Once that is done, expansion becomes A LOT easier, cost efficient, and effective. Automation, combined with my plan, will allow higher capacities, more trains running, direct destination to destination express service, off-line loading and un-loading so that trains going to other stations can pass right through without having to wait while another train stops, for example.

 

[Tom]

If they expressed any interest (including interest in just parts of it), I would immediately take on a more professional attitude about it and start contacting professionals in the business, especially Bombardier. I might even fly to Canada to meet with people from Bombardier to discuss it in order to get some real numbers together. I would also meet with independent experts outside of Bombardier to get second and third opinions to make sure Bombardier isn't inflated their costs. I would also contact Mitsubishi in Japan because they make compatible systems and see if I could get a competition between the companies and a competing offer. I hope Disney reimburses me for the air travel for putting this together for them! Lol

I want whatever job you have, if you can just hop on a plane and fly to Canada to meet with people...for a pet project.

 

[PeterAlt]

I want whatever job you have, if you can just hop on a plane and fly to Canada to meet with people...for a pet project.

Wouldn't you take time off and fly somewhere if you thought you had a chance to do something to make the World a better place? In this case, the World I'm talking about is WDW.

 

[danlb_2000]

Wouldn't you take time off and fly somewhere if you thought you had a chance to do something to make the World a better place? In this case, the World I'm talking about is WDW.

Do you honestly think someone at Disney hasn't been through all the possible permutations of how to expand the monorail and have decided that it's just not worth doing? Don't want to squash you dreams, but I think it's really a long shot that you would come up with something in your spare time that people who are trained in this area and paid to do it haven't.

 

[PeterAlt]

Do you honestly think someone at Disney hasn't been through all the possible permutations of how to expand the monorail and have decided that it's just not worth doing? Don't want to squash you dreams, but I think it's really a long shot that you would come up with something in your spare time that people who are trained in this area and paid to do it haven't.

Of course it is, but I think they stopped thinking out of the box the day they sold off WED Community Transportation to Bombardier. They especially lost their dedicated experts in that area. Since then, WDW has hired their own "expert", but this expert surely isn't a team of experts and works outside WDI. If WDI were to assemble their own group of transportation experts and mix it with Imagineers of their own, I'm sure a plan like the one I'm proposing would be in the works. Correction, they would have a much better and more creative plan and maybe a more inclusive one that I came up with. My goal isn't so much that they use my plan. My goal is shake things up to prove that there are things that can be done if a little creativity and a lot of effort were applied. If I can demonstrate that, maybe WDI would be asked to go to task. That, in my opinion, would be 1,000 times better than what I came up with because WDI are masters in anything they do.

 

[Hakunamatata]

Of course it is, but I think they stopped thinking out of the box the day they sold off WED Community Transportation to Bombardier. They especially lost their dedicated experts in that area. Since then, WDW has hired their own "expert", but this expert surely isn't a team of experts and works outside WDI. If WDI were to assemble their own group of transportation experts and mix it with Imagineers of their own, I'm sure a plan like the one I'm proposing would be in the works. Correction, they would have a much better and more creative plan and maybe a more inclusive one that I came up with. My goal isn't so much that they use my plan. My goal is shake things up to prove that there are things that can be done if a little creativity and a lot of effort were applied. If I can demonstrate that, maybe WDI would be asked to go to task. That, in my opinion, would be 1,000 times better than what I came up with because WDI are masters in anything they do.

Query. How do you intend on shaking things up when Disney specifically states that they do not entertain or accept ideas from external sources?

 

[PeterAlt]

Do you honestly think someone at Disney hasn't been through all the possible permutations of how to expand the monorail and have decided that it's just not worth doing? Don't want to squash you dreams, but I think it's really a long shot that you would come up with something in your spare time that people who are trained in this area and paid to do it haven't.

Let me add a short story to what I just said. My dad's cousin worked for Grumman during development of the Apollo moon program and was one of the engineers who worked on the lunar lander. One day, my dad was lucky enough to see a prototype the lander. He noticed the thin aluminum foil-like material as the walls of the interior of the spacecraft and that the seats had no foot rests. He says to them, "why don't you add a foot rest so that the astronauts don't accidentally puncture the interior walls?"

You would think they would have thought of this, right? Believe it or not, no one working for the entire Grumman team or NASA ever thought this and, as it were, the spacecraft was to launch without foot rests! Well, they added it and my dad's idea flew to the moon. Remember, everyone's human and no one can think of everything!

 

[unkadug]

Let me add a short story to what I just said. My dad's cousin worked for Grumman during development of the Apollo moon program and was one of the engineers who worked on the lunar lander. One day, my dad was lucky enough to see a prototype the lander. He noticed the thin aluminum foil-like material as the walls of the interior of the spacecraft and that the seats had no foot rests. He says to them, "why don't you add a foot rest so that the astronauts don't accidentally puncture the interior walls?"

You would think they would have thought of this, right? Believe it or not, no one working for the entire Grumman team or NASA ever thought this and, as it were, the spacecraft was to launch without foot rests! Well, they added it and my dad's idea flew to the moon. Remember, everyone's human and no one can think of everything!

The thing is NASA listens...Grumman listens....Disney makes it a point not to listen to unsolicited outside ideas.

 

[danlb_2000]

Of course it is, but I think they stopped thinking out of the box the day they sold off WED Community Transportation to Bombardier. They especially lost their dedicated experts in that area. Since then, WDW has hired their own "expert", but this expert surely isn't a team of experts and works outside WDI. If WDI were to assemble their own group of transportation experts and mix it with Imagineers of their own, I'm sure a plan like the one I'm proposing would be in the works. Correction, they would have a much better and more creative plan and maybe a more inclusive one that I came up with. My goal isn't so much that they use my plan. My goal is shake things up to prove that there are things that can be done if a little creativity and a lot of effort were applied. If I can demonstrate that, maybe WDI would be asked to go to task. That, in my opinion, would be 1,000 times better than what I came up with because WDI are masters in anything they do.

Even if you were to come up with the perfect Monorail design that solved all of Disney's transportation problems and you managed to get someone to listen it's very like that there are forces with company that would make sure the idea never saw the light of day. In a huge company like Disney, politics play a huge part in things like this, and they often override logical thinking.

 

[PeterAlt]

Even if you were to come up with the perfect Monorail design that solved all of Disney's transportation problems and you managed to get someone to listen it's very like that there are forces with company that would make sure the idea never saw the light of day. In a huge company like Disney, politics play a huge part in things like this, and they often override logical thinking.

True, but it's worth trying. Also, if something makes sense and the right people are in charge, good will triumph over evil because evil is dumb (Spaceballs) or was it the other way around... Doesn't matter... Any way, I don't see why there would be any movements within the company to go against logic. Could happen, but I don't see it.

 

[PeterAlt]

The thing is NASA listens...Grumman listens....Disney makes it a point not to listen to unsolicited outside ideas.

They listen and they do read these boards. They go out of their way to pretend they don't.

 

[danlb_2000]

Let me add a short story to what I just said. My dad's cousin worked for Grumman during development of the Apollo moon program and was one of the engineers who worked on the lunar lander. One day, my dad was lucky enough to see a prototype the lander. He noticed the thin aluminum foil-like material as the walls of the interior of the spacecraft and that the seats had no foot rests. He says to them, "why don't you add a foot rest so that the astronauts don't accidentally puncture the interior walls?"

You would think they would have thought of this, right? Believe it or not, no one working for the entire Grumman team or NASA ever thought this and, as it were, the spacecraft was to launch without foot rests! Well, they added it and my dad's idea flew to the moon. Remember, everyone's human and no one can think of everything!

Your dad may have come up with the idea, but it never went into space since the actual lunar module flight hardware had no seats.

True, but it's worth trying. Also, if something makes sense and the right people are in charge, good will triumph over evil because evil is dumb (Spaceballs) or was it the other way around... Doesn't matter... Any way, I don't see why there would be any movements within the company to go against logic. Could happen, but I don't see it.

You have obviously never worked for a large corporation.

 

[Tom]

Wouldn't you take time off and fly somewhere if you thought you had a chance to do something to make the World a better place? In this case, the World I'm talking about is WDW.

Honestly? No. I wouldn't take personal vacation days to do charity work for a for-profit corporation. Heck, I don't take personal days off of work for real charities. My minutes of free time are far too valuable to me not to be compensated.

 

[danlb_2000]

They listen and they do read these boards. They go out of their way to pretend they don't.

They may listen for marketing purposes but not for ideas, that could open them up to far to many legal problems.