EPCOT Resorts Cancelled Monorail Loop

[Tom]

Having switches be part of the normal operation wouldn't be a problem?

If the switches were part of the existing monorail system, yes indeed. Those things take, what, about a minute to throw? And you can't have a train of passengers moving toward, or being in the first block adjacent to, a thrown or moving switch.

Live switching would only work in a new type of rail introduced to property - not with the current system.

 

[Tom]

Don't know. I would think that the cost for something like this would be a non-factor for Disney...but who knows, they've proven me wrong with surprising cheapness before. BTW, the exact speed of the Friendship Boat seems to be about 5.8 mph. I can jog by it and I've done enough treadmill work to gauge my velocity.

I would rather jog than take a Friendship boat (and that says a LOT, since I barely walk from one place to another).

Those boats must be full of Safety, Courtesy and Show....because they certainly don't showcase any Efficiency.

 

[PeterAlt]

If the switches were part of the existing monorail system, yes indeed. Those things take, what, about a minute to throw? And you can't have a train of passengers moving toward, or being in the first block adjacent to, a thrown or moving switch.

Live switching would only work in a new type of rail introduced to property - not with the current system.

They already plan to automate the system. New automated switches are part of it. As I said, look up the Jacksonville system. It uses automated switches and multiple routes, like this would.

 

[litaljohn]

I think in the entire equation people are forgetting very important thing.

for one we need to think about the average amount sweat that is created by each body. let's represent this as B.
secondly we need to multiply that by your occupancy per car, represented as O.
now something this new system would need to include would be cost of protections like air conditioning, special bacteria resistant materials along with cleaning supplies, and during peak season the calls made for hazmat crews from the CDC. these protections needed we will classify as P. and finally we need to know how many extra units we will need for this increase in riders for added loops and monorail lines. which we will call U. so by multiplying the body sweat per person by the occupancy, and divide that by the costs needed to protect against it multiplied by each unit I think we reach a pretty obvious conclusion...

B*O
---- = monorails stink at night
P*U


seriously what magic is in buses that they are like 100 times more manageable?

 

[alissafalco]

I think in the entire equation people are forgetting very important thing.

for one we need to think about the average amount sweat that is created by each body. let's represent this as B.
secondly we need to multiply that by your occupancy per car, represented as O.
now something this new system would need to include would be cost of protections like air conditioning, special bacteria resistant materials along with cleaning supplies, and during peak season the calls made for hazmat crews from the CDC. these protections needed we will classify as P. and finally we need to know how many extra units we will need for this increase in riders for added loops and monorail lines. which we will call U. so by multiplying the body sweat per person by the occupancy, and divide that by the costs needed to protect against it multiplied by each unit I think we reach a pretty obvious conclusion...

B*O
---- = monorails stink at night
P*U


seriously what magic is in buses that they are like 100 times more manageable?

I think in your case you should probably just stick with the buses and skip the monorails. You seem to have a very hard time when riding on them.

 

[PeterAlt]

I think in your case you should probably just stick with the buses and skip the monorails. You seem to have a very hard time when riding on them.

No, I think he's legitimately concerned about the PO level. A well-maintained monorail is kept with a good balance of H2, which effectively compounds with the O and evaporates into the air as humidy (H2O). As long as this water vapor is clear of impurities, it will be PH balanced and free of the odor-causing P element.

Honestly, it's not the air I would be most concerned about. It's the water parks. If the water at these parks is not PH balanced, it will be full of P and environmentally hazardous.

 

[unkadug]

No, I think he's legitimately concerned about the PO level. A well-maintained monorail is kept with a good balance of H2, which effectively compounds with the O and evaporates into the air as humidy (H2O). As long as this water vapor is clear of impurities, it will be PH balanced and free of the odor-causing P element.

Honestly, it's not the air I would be most concerned about. It's the water parks. If the water at these parks is not PH balanced, it will be full of P and environmentally hazardous.

LOL...are you referring to the "P" of @litaljohn's theory or the "P" of pee???

 

[PeterAlt]

LOL...are you referring to the"P" of @litaljohn's theory or the "P" of pee???

It was a South Park episode.

 

[PeterAlt]

Margret Thatcher just died

 

[unkadug]

It was a South Park episode.

What...I certainly don't remember that episode.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Do me a favor and fetch everyone on Fifth Gate thread and bring them here. I'm not having luck.

I have been fetched too!

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

The problem is that you are talking about a company that views it as "a dollar spent is a dollar not saved".

I agree that has been the rule of thumb for 10 years. However I am hoping with the new projects and the apparent new policy of doing maintenance and major refits, as seen in the last 2 years or so.......the Disney management has discovered guests are not happy and the other parks are watching and learning.

Hopefully!

AKK

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Agreed. Consider this a work in progress and everyone here can contribute to it. Another idea I have is to wait until Las Vegas extends the monorail to the airport. We could go in with them on the production run to get both our costs lowered.

Peter I wish you would go over the dis and post you wonderful work there too! The *Disney rumors and news*. There is a monorail thread there now, with a group that just won't even consider the possibility of extended monorail, pods and light rail!

No matter what you say or facts you point out about new systems and design, lower costs, savings in labor and operation expenses......the response is always the same *its to expensive, it won't happen*/ *buses are great*

AKK

 

[PeterAlt]

Peter I wish you would go over the dis and post you wonderful work there too! The *Disney rumors and news*. There is a monorail thread there now, with a group that just won't even consider the possibility of extended monorail, pods and light rail!

No matter what you say or facts you point out about new systems and design, lower costs, savings in labor and operation expenses......the response is always the same *its to expensive, it won't happen*/ *buses are great*

AKK

You mean there's a tougher crowd than the people on this board? Sometimes I get all my energy sucked out in debates here. At least I know for the most part that people here are reasonable. There are those who I will never convince, no matter what, but at the end of the day, we are all Disney fans and can switch gears and talk about how great it is that Disney owns Star Wars now, how wonderful it is that DCA is doing well now thanks to RSR and Cars Land, or how horrible it is that Kali River Rapids reopened after its rehab with downgrades rather than upgrades, or whine collectively about Splash Mountain falling apart.

If I am having difficulties sometimes with a "friendly" crowd that can chat regardless of various differing opinions, why on earth would any sane person want to enter the Colosseum accompanied with ferocious flesh-eating lions? As Han Solo once said, "Not my idea of fun... More like suicide."

 

[PeterAlt]

What...I certainly don't remember that episode.

It was last season or the season before it. Same season as the Cameron episode, I think.

 

[PeterAlt]

What...I certainly don't remember that episode.

Here's the episode...

http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s13e14-pee

 

[marni1971]

You mean there's a tougher crowd than the people on this board?

Dude, its not that, its more that we know for a fact the Swan/Dolphin never had a monorail planned to go through the middle of them. For example.

On the most part, I dare say most members here would love a comprehensive mass transit system to be green lit for WDW.

 

[freediverdude]

The usual argument against the monorails, besides the cost, is that the buses are more flexible. I'm guessing they would still have to operate buses, because the monorail would not be able to handle the crush of crowds at a park closing. Unless you just kept monorail service to deluxe resorts and other parks.

I am concerned about PeterAlt's plan regarding serving the Epcot resorts. A proposed moving walkway from DHS all the way to the Boardwalk and Yacht/Beach club, even from the proposed new DHS entrance, looks like too far of a distance for a moving walkway. So I'm not sure what the solution would be there.

 

[Texas84]

My engineering background is chemical and IT, not train. Just having fun.

But if the AK train is extended, seems like you have to go north. So how about a stop at Coronado? Also assumes Rafiki's goes away. That will just get in the way. Also, if the train goes right into AK, how do you manage park ticketing? At the southern station? At Coronado?

 

[Texas84]

I am concerned about PeterAlt's plan regarding serving the Epcot resorts. A proposed moving walkway from DHS all the way to the Boardwalk and Yacht/Beach club, even from the proposed new DHS entrance, looks like too far of a distance for a moving walkway. So I'm not sure what the solution would be there.

Isn't Uni's moving walkway about 10 miles long?