EPCOT Resorts Cancelled Monorail Loop

[orky8]

So let me get this straight. I do not think we will see monorail expansion in WDW in the near future because the numbers do not show it to be economically viable at the present time. Because of that I am now on the take from big oil and am a climate change denialist?

I'll make sure to be on the look out for some of those big shill checks from Exxon.

Boo monorail. Yay big oil. Convert the current fleet to diesel. Can I get a check now too?

But seriously, PeterAlt, what difference does it make if there is a footer there (for which there is no evidence besides your overactive imagination [and I don't mean from when you were 12 -- I mean now]). That they originally planned to expand the monorail is common knowledge around here. Saratoga Springs (I think that is the one) has an easement for the monorail and there are models of DTD with the monorail in it from the 80s. From a construction standpoint, it makes practically no sense for them to have already put down footers over 30 years ago, but even if they did, that means nothing today. The cost of a footer or two or ten is equivalent to a rounding error when considering the cost to expand the monorail. I highly doubt that if you could somehow just make TDO aware of your claim that there is already a footer there, that that would somehow tip the scale to move a monorail expansion forward considering the infintesimal cost you are talking about in the grand scheme of a real expansion project.

 

[BoarderPhreak]

Time to stick a fork in this thread.

 

[Hakunamatata]

Time to stick a fork in this thread.

This thread was done nine threads ago.

 

[articos]

Thanks. I'll catch up with everything later today. There was also the question as to why. I remember reading something about avoiding disturbances to guests. Do you know anything about that and who said it?

Sorry, don't know. Wasn't me. The only thought I'd have is trying to put a track switch over a guest area would definitely cause concern, potentially for loudness, but more for the possibility of any sort of problems or accidents, but I don't think they wouldn't have used the switch there for daily purposes, it would be for if they needed to move trains in an unusual situation.

 

[articos]

I had no idea about the west side. The "lost" ones could be found, I guess with a little effort. Also, can you confirm that the rumors about WS sitting on top of buried footers is false?

Maybe, maybe not. Keep in mind, you're basically looking for a pad of concrete and steel, set into the ground and covered over, likely in alignments that cannot be utilized any longer. And there's likely not that many. There are no footings in WS that I'm aware of. The planned monorail expansion alignments were specifically to tie into the existing system, going to the Village and opposite. Have to think of things in practical and operational terms.

 

[articos]

I recently ran across this document which is an easement between Disney and the company building the Swan and Dolphin. The interesting thing is that the easement had an expiration of 10 years from the time the hotels opened, but would be revived if monorail service was made available to the hotel property.

http://or.occompt.com/recorder/eagleweb/downloads/6191501.pdf?id=DOCC6191501.A0&parent=DOCC6191501

I believe a new agreement came into force that just took into account the current situation around the lake. It basically was simply giving guest access from the hotels to the WS entry. The monorail clause was a pullback to say if a monorail - which was one of the planned options for future development initially - was built to the Swalphin, then the easement would go to the monorail station instead.

Nice find.

 

[PeterAlt]

Apparently, I'm not the only one....

And what momentum? Over the course of the decade in which you've been posting your supposed rumors and theories, has Disney started one expansion of the monorail line?

And as for Global Warming et al, I'm actually a fan of the monorails, and wouldn't mind seeing them expanded. That said, Disney has other priorities for WDW, and why I don't agree with them, I do understand the reality of the situation. Something that may be difficult to grasp for one admittedly obsessed over this topic.

You make no sense. On one hand, you keep antagonizing and trolling me each time I post on the subject. Now, you say you are all for expanding the monorail and that you are in favor of it. Which is it? If you are, then stop being a troll and stop with your doubtful grumpy antagonizing messages challenging me on just about everything I post.

FYI, I have not posted for "decades". I've been on here for a decade, not "decades". I've, from time to time, posted about monorail expansion - one of zillions of topics I've posted about over the years. From now on, I'll only respond to friendly posts and ignore the hostile ones.

 

[PeterAlt]

No, the east loop is common knowledge. It was planned. We know that.

What's uncertain is your claims about a visible to this day footer and construction photos showing what you claim are more footers being built in 1981.

I'm not claiming it. I've been told this from several people. I've been guessing which they are, ever since, with just the one near WDI "confirmed".

 

[PeterAlt]

If a few anonomous posters on a Disney fan site can stop something like this from happening, did it really have a chance to begin with?

I full heartedly believe that with the sale of WED Community Transportation Services (which was a necessary evil at the time in order to get the studio straightened out), the company's plans and aspirations for these systems went with it. Now that the studio is the number one (or close to it) studio in all of Hollywood, they can put a group like that together again within WDI. The hiring of a single expert working for WDW is certainly a good start, but there needs to be a team of experts working for WDI.

 

[PeterAlt]

So let me get this straight. I do not think we will see monorail expansion in WDW in the near future because the numbers do not show it to be economically viable at the present time. Because of that I am now on the take from big oil and am a climate change denialist?

I'll make sure to be on the look out for some of those big shill checks from Exxon.

I too don't see monorail expansion in the near future. That post was not aimed at you, but to this constant hostility I've been getting over the IDEA of monorail expansion by a couple of people here. You're not one of those. Most here aren't.

 

[PeterAlt]

Boo monorail. Yay big oil. Convert the current fleet to diesel. Can I get a check now too?

But seriously, PeterAlt, what difference does it make if there is a footer there (for which there is no evidence besides your overactive imagination [and I don't mean from when you were 12 -- I mean now]). That they originally planned to expand the monorail is common knowledge around here. Saratoga Springs (I think that is the one) has an easement for the monorail and there are models of DTD with the monorail in it from the 80s. From a construction standpoint, it makes practically no sense for them to have already put down footers over 30 years ago, but even if they did, that means nothing today. The cost of a footer or two or ten is equivalent to a rounding error when considering the cost to expand the monorail. I highly doubt that if you could somehow just make TDO aware of your claim that there is already a footer there, that that would somehow tip the scale to move a monorail expansion forward considering the infintesimal cost you are talking about in the grand scheme of a real expansion project.

There are people here that think it was never planned and that those footers were never installed. That's what I'm struggling with.

 

[alissafalco]

I think we all want the monorail to be expanded. Unfortunately the people making those decisions would rather pour billions of dollars into NextGen/tragic bands. Until we get someone new in leadership who really cares about the state of the parks rather than lining their pockets we will never see a monorail expansion. .

 

[PeterAlt]

This thread was done nine threads ago.

Posts like this are outright hostile and unnecessary. If someone doesn't agree, that's okay. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Let the people who want to talk about it talk about it without being disrupted by posts like these.

 

[PeterAlt]

False. It was not built by Disney and anyone can ride it as long as they are accompanied by an official such as on tours which happen several times a day.

It was rebuilt by Disney. I'll post a link.

 

[Hakunamatata]

Posts like this are outright hostile and unnecessary. If someone doesn't agree, that's okay. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Let the people who want to talk about it talk about it without being disrupted by posts like these.

So, everyone is entitled to their opinion.......but can't post it if it differs from yours????????

 

[lazyboy97o]

There are people here that think it was never planned and that those footers were never installed. That's what I'm struggling with.

No, you keep trying to make it more. It was a few footers and they have since been forgotten. They are indicative of nothing regarding the future.

 

[wm49rs]

You make no sense. On one hand, you keep antagonizing and trolling me each time I post on the subject. Now, you say you are all for expanding the monorail and that you are in favor of it. Which is it? If you are, then stop being a troll and stop with your doubtful grumpy antagonizing messages challenging me on just about everything I post.

FYI, I have not posted for "decades". I've been on here for a decade, not "decades". I've, from time to time, posted about monorail expansion - one of zillions of topics I've posted about over the years. From now on, I'll only respond to friendly posts and ignore the hostile ones.

If I trolled you each time you posted, I'd lead the forums in that number. And curiously, I never said I was against expanding the monorail. What I said, yet again, was that Disney is not going to do so any time soon. You haven't discovered any new footers, or some new secret plans for monorail expansion (ditto for a 5th gate or secret plans to bring Marvel into WDW). As of right now, Disney obviously sees the bussess as their most financially viable modes of (for the majority) transportation. And they're not going to invest in the monorails any time soon, save to possibly purchase new trains or replace older ones.

And since you apparently missed it, what I said was "Over the course of the decade in which you have been posting." Nowhere did I say you've been posting over multiple decades. Thankfully......

 

[orky8]

There are people here that think it was never planned and that those footers were never installed. That's what I'm struggling with.

No one disputes the green part -- it was absolutely planned (maybe not the exact path you describe, but pretty close). The red part, you are correct, no one believes you. Probably because it didn't happen. But if you happen to find a picture of the footer, I'm sure we'll all change our tune, but if Martin can't find one, I really don't think you are going to have much luck.

I think that is the struggle -- you seem to suggest conspiracy theory when there is none. There are plans for eveything with Disney. I mean, there are plans right now to take the monorail to DTD and all the other parks. Hell, I bet there is a plan to take it to MCO. Unfortunately, with current management, none of the plans have any hope of coming to fruition.

 

[DManRightHere]

I think some kind of mass transit will happen eventually (definitely after the new downtown parking decks are made)

I like universals deal, the giant parking garages with moving sidewalks. They could do this at Disney, one massive parking area, moving sidewalks (but I hate when people stand in the way, the point is to get you there faster!)

They could do like a classic train for animal kingdom, monorail or boat for magic kingdom (i think they already do this?) monorail for epcot, and I think light rail would be appropriate for hollywood studios.

The biggest problem I see with this is possibly longer times to get back to resorts. But all buses going to one central location would seem like less buses to me. They could have buses spaced every 10 minutes.

This could be less buses, less trams, less personnel, less maintenance for each individual parking lot. Plus they gain the flat land for the parks from the parking lots. They could also offer a valet service at each individual park for a premium.

Btw how to they keep non resort guests from using the transportation system? For example park in downtown disney, then take a bus to a park to avoid parking fees? I am wondering if the next gen would avoid this.

I am sure my idea is full of flaws, but just thinking.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I think some kind of mass transit will happen eventually (definitely after the new downtown parking decks are made)

Between the decks there will be a big bus stop.