EPCOT Resorts Cancelled Monorail Loop

[PeterAlt]

Interesting. Not sure I recall seeing it.

There is also a system running underground in Washington DC called the Capital Subway. It is a Disney built WEDway peoplemover. Only lawmakers can ride it.

 

[PeterAlt]

You're simply looking for something more in that one sentence then was ever there. As you've admitted before, you're obsessed, and you're reaching to try and put random odds and ends together to validate your theory(ies).

I think Articos vindicated me on the buried EPCOT footers. So, yes, it was a stretch, but it was a correct stretch.

 

[AndyS2992]

There is also a system running underground in Washington DC called the Capital Subway. It is a Disney built WEDway peoplemover. Only lawmakers can ride it.

False. It was not built by Disney and anyone can ride it as long as they are accompanied by an official such as on tours which happen several times a day.

 

[wm49rs]

I think Articos vindicated me on the buried EPCOT footers. So, yes, it was a stretch, but it was a correct stretch.

Actually, he didn't see any of your mysterious footers in the photos. He said they are probably some buried, but that doesn't amount to much at the moment....

And this is your theory, not his.....

 

[danlb_2000]

Not remotely true. The monorail masterplan for Epcot to Studios put the beam in a space between Yacht Club and Swan/Dolphin, not directly through it. The black squares are simply a design feature from Michael Graves.

I recently ran across this document which is an easement between Disney and the company building the Swan and Dolphin. The interesting thing is that the easement had an expiration of 10 years from the time the hotels opened, but would be revived if monorail service was made available to the hotel property.

http://or.occompt.com/recorder/eagleweb/downloads/6191501.pdf?id=DOCC6191501.A0&parent=DOCC6191501

 

[PeterAlt]

When I was like 12, it was soon after EPCOT opened. I snuck into an off-limits room at Communicore. It had renders of future attractions. There was also a gigantic plaster board with the US Geological Survey of the WDW property. It showed the property boundaries. It also showed a solid line for the monorail system and a dotted line, defined in the key as "future monorail". The dotted line ran east of SSE and wrapped around the WDW Village Lagoon. When I first looked at it, I thought that was the monorail that loops around the Seven Seas Lagoon, but when I took a closer look, I saw that loop was near the top of the survey.

Since then, everyone I told this to said I didn't really see what I saw and it was the product of child's imagination. It wasn't until recent years that I begin to find pieces of things that showed that maybe I did see what I saw. I am confident now that my memory of it is a correct memory.

 

[PeterAlt]

Actually, he didn't see any of your mysterious footers in the photos. He said they are probably some buried, but that doesn't amount to much at the moment....

And this is your theory, not his.....

It's not my theory. I also admit that I am not sure which ones they are other than the one near the Imagineering building.

 

[wm49rs]

It's not my theory. I also admit that I am not sure which ones they are other than the one near the Imagineering building.

I didn't realize there was someone else here promoting the potential (and near-term) expansion of the monorails on this site. Who else is such an advocate?

 

[PeterAlt]

Actually, he didn't see any of your mysterious footers in the photos. He said they are probably some buried, but that doesn't amount to much at the moment....

And this is your theory, not his.....

My entire point was that there was at least one buried footer at EPCOT to the east of SSE. I suspected that could could be more east of SSE. I had in idea that there are also ones west of SSE. So, not only was I right, the reality of it is that EPCOT has even more footers than I had even imagined. Ride CoP over and over until you can't stop singing that song and stop hanging out with the wrong dwarfs.

 

[wm49rs]

My entire point was that there was at least one buried footer at EPCOT to the east of SSE. I suspected that could could be more east of SSE. I had in idea that there are also ones west of SSE. So, not only was I right, the reality of it is that EPCOT has even more footers than I had even imagined. Ride CoP over and over until you can't stop singing that song and stop hanging out with the wrong dwarfs.

Actually, the point of this thread (and the dozen others you started) was to yet again push the monorail expansion rumor, according to your own OP.....

There may be footers, but reading the posts they're probably buried and thus not visible.

Not really sure what either COP or the Seven Dwarfs have to do with anything, but that seems to be a common occurrence in this thread.....

 

[PeterAlt]

Actually, the point of this thread (and the dozen others you started) was to yet again push the monorail expansion rumor, according to your own OP.....

There may be footers, but reading the posts they're probably buried and thus not visible.

Not really sure what either COP or the Seven Dwarfs have to do with anything, but that seems to be a common occurrence in this thread.....

"It's a great big beautiful tomorrow..." Happy. Optimistic. Hopeful.

On the other hand, six out of seven dwarfs aren't so happy.

The rumor of these buried footers has little impact on the plan I proposed, as I have repeated over and over again, so I don't understand why you keep saying I perpetuate the rumor to serve the promotion of monorail expansion.

 

[Stu bailey]

Never in the plans.

 

[wm49rs]

"It's a great big beautiful tomorrow..." Happy. Optimistic. Hopeful.

On the other hand, six out of seven dwarfs aren't so happy.

The rumor of these buried footers has little impact on the plan I proposed, as I have repeated over and over again, so I don't understand why you keep saying I perpetuate the rumor to serve the promotion of monorail expansion.

I don't know; probably from the dozen threads you've fired up about monorail expansion. Just a guess....

 

[PeterAlt]

I don't know; probably from the dozen threads you've fired up about monorail expansion. Just a guess....

To me, it seems like you're trying to stop it from gaining popular momentum because you're always there trying to shoot it down. The only people with a legitimate in interest in making sure it doesn't happen are those who own a lot of stock in Big Oil or companies like Halliburton, or even the auto industry. If clean systems such as these were in place everywhere, people would be less likely to drive around burning fossil fuels. That's really what this is all about. There's no such thing as Global Warming, so never mind.

I think I owe it future generations to say that at least I tried.

EDIT - I'm not implying any conspiracies. I'm just searching for legitimate reasons why some people would be on the constant offense over this. What I was trying to say was that he is not one of those, so he shouldn't be on the constant offense over it... If he was one of those, I would totally understand, but he's probably not, which is why I don't get his constant hostility over it.

 

[meyeet]

To me, it seems like you're trying to stop it from gaining popular momentum because you're always there trying to shoot it down. The only people with a legitimate in interest in making sure it doesn't happen are those who own a lot of stock in Big Oil or companies like Halliburton, or even the auto industry. If clean systems such as these were in place everywhere, people would be less likely to drive around burning fossil fuels. That's really what this is all about. There's no such thing as Global Warming, so never mind.

You had me till here. Global Warming and Big oil conspiracies??? I'm out

 

[Master Yoda]

To me, it seems like you're trying to stop it from gaining popular momentum because you're always there trying to shoot it down. The only people with a legitimate in interest in making sure it doesn't happen are those who own a lot of stock in Big Oil or companies like Halliburton, or even the auto industry. If clean systems such as these were in place everywhere, people would be less likely to drive around burning fossil fuels. That's really what this is all about. There's no such thing as Global Warming, so never mind.

So let me get this straight. I do not think we will see monorail expansion in WDW in the near future because the numbers do not show it to be economically viable at the present time. Because of that I am now on the take from big oil and am a climate change denialist?

I'll make sure to be on the look out for some of those big shill checks from Exxon.

 

[wm49rs]

To me, it seems like you're trying to stop it from gaining popular momentum because you're always there trying to shoot it down. The only people with a legitimate in interest in making sure it doesn't happen are those who own a lot of stock in Big Oil or companies like Halliburton, or even the auto industry. If clean systems such as these were in place everywhere, people would be less likely to drive around burning fossil fuels. That's really what this is all about. There's no such thing as Global Warming, so never mind.

I think I owe it future generations to say that at least I tried.

Apparently, I'm not the only one....

And what momentum? Over the course of the decade in which you've been posting your supposed rumors and theories, has Disney started one expansion of the monorail line?

And as for Global Warming et al, I'm actually a fan of the monorails, and wouldn't mind seeing them expanded. That said, Disney has other priorities for WDW, and why I don't agree with them, I do understand the reality of the situation. Something that may be difficult to grasp for one admittedly obsessed over this topic.

 

[AndyS2992]

To me, it seems like you're trying to stop it from gaining popular momentum because you're always there trying to shoot it down.

What 'popular momentum'? There will not be any monorail expansion in the near future or if ever. It may have once been an idea 30 years ago but not anymore. It is an interesting idea but will not happen and should be left at that.

 

[danlb_2000]

To me, it seems like you're trying to stop it from gaining popular momentum because you're always there trying to shoot it down. The only people with a legitimate in interest in making sure it doesn't happen are those who own a lot of stock in Big Oil or companies like Halliburton, or even the auto industry. If clean systems such as these were in place everywhere, people would be less likely to drive around burning fossil fuels. That's really what this is all about. There's no such thing as Global Warming, so never mind.

I think I owe it future generations to say that at least I tried.

If a few anonomous posters on a Disney fan site can stop something like this from happening, did it really have a chance to begin with?

 

[marni1971]

When I was like 12, it was soon after EPCOT opened. I snuck into an off-limits room at Communicore. It had renders of future attractions. There was also a gigantic plaster board with the US Geological Survey of the WDW property. It showed the property boundaries. It also showed a solid line for the monorail system and a dotted line, defined in the key as "future monorail". The dotted line ran east of SSE and wrapped around the WDW Village Lagoon. When I first looked at it, I thought that was the monorail that loops around the Seven Seas Lagoon, but when I took a closer look, I saw that loop was near the top of the survey.

Since then, everyone I told this to said I didn't really see what I saw and it was the product of child's imagination. It wasn't until recent years that I begin to find pieces of things that showed that maybe I did see what I saw. I am confident now that my memory of it is a correct memory.

No, the east loop is common knowledge. It was planned. We know that.

What's uncertain is your claims about a visible to this day footer and construction photos showing what you claim are more footers being built in 1981.