EPCOT Resorts Cancelled Monorail Loop

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Master Yoda

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Interesting visual...assuming their estimates per mile is still correct and using today's pricing for concrete and steel a mile of monorail track would cost $1,470,000.00 for material alone.

Assuming a cost of 150.00 per cubic yard of concrete and 500.00 per ton of steel rebar .

Of course @edwardtc might help me out on today's prices if I'm way off.
$150 for concrete is for regular 2000 psi concrete used in everyday construction. If I am not mistaken the monorail beams use a very specific blend that costs much more. Also the monorail beams use pretensioned steel cables in addition to rebar. The cost of that is around double that of rebar.
 

Master Yoda

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So, you tell me. Are these animals really sculpted into this mountain, or is it just my over-active imagination. If they're not there, case solved with both the footers and the fifth gate for its just my overactive imagination. If these animals really are there, then I have a gift for seeing things barely recognizable through "normal" eyes.

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It is your human brain betraying you.

http://www.livescience.com/25448-pareidolia.html
 

Hakunamatata

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So, you tell me. Are these animals really sculpted into this mountain, or is it just my over-active imagination. If they're not there, case solved with both the footers and the fifth gate for its just my overactive imagination. If these animals really are there, then I have a gift for seeing things barely recognizable through "normal" eyes.

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I see Spongebob Squarepants.
 

ShookieJones

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So, you tell me. Are these animals really sculpted into this mountain, or is it just my over-active imagination. If they're not there, case solved with both the footers and the fifth gate for its just my overactive imagination. If these animals really are there, then I have a gift for seeing things barely recognizable through "normal" eyes.

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Wait..what?
 

Tom

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Interesting visual...assuming their estimates per mile is still correct and using today's pricing for concrete and steel a mile of monorail track would cost $1,470,000.00 for material alone.

Assuming a cost of 150.00 per cubic yard of concrete and 500.00 per ton of steel rebar .

Of course @edwardtc might help me out on today's prices if I'm way off.
$150 for concrete is for regular 2000 psi concrete used in everyday construction. If I am not mistaken the monorail beams use a very specific blend that costs much more. Also the monorail beams use pretensioned steel cables in addition to rebar. The cost of that is around double that of rebar.

First, excellent post. Really sheds some light on the cost of monorail expansions for the folks who haven't seen it, or thought about it, in real dollars and cents.

I'll second some things Yoda said, and add more comments.

I think $150/cy for concrete might be safe, and would include labor/placement. I agree that they use a high compression concrete for the beams, but the placement is done via crane/bucket at the fabrication site, and economies of scale help a lot. $200/cy might be more realistic, given the major setup it requires to fabricate them. I had the pleasure of visiting the site just outside Vegas in the early 2000s when they were casting the beams for Vegas' "new" monorail system. They were identical to WDW's.

Deformed bar runs $500-650/ton these days, depending on quantity, and special/custom bends. The monorail beam cages are extremely complicated - lots of continuous bars running the length, tied to bars bent into squares of gradated sizes to wrap the profile of the beam every 12" or so. Rebar itself would probably be on the higher end of the range.

Plus, you have incidentals like the connecting and splice plates, the hollow tubing that runs down the middle of the beams for the pre-tension cables, the cables themselves (which Yoda mentioned), and the massive amount of Styrofoam that makes up the majority of the core of each beam.

So, if anything, your cost per mile is low, but definitely sheds some real light on today's cost.
 

MichWolv

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So, you tell me. Are these animals really sculpted into this mountain, or is it just my over-active imagination. If they're not there, case solved with both the footers and the fifth gate for its just my overactive imagination. If these animals really are there, then I have a gift for seeing things barely recognizable through "normal" eyes.

marcahuasi01_01.jpg

Your mind playing tricks on you, like making you think that there are bears in Africa.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100815141548AAJR6Qd
 

Tom

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Here's another one. I pointed an arrow to it. Its directly behind what is now the defunct WoL Pavilion. Here, you see it clear as day and exactly where you said one should be. Today it's covered up and you can't see it in the satellite photos. This is not the one I've been talking about, which is not covered up and can be seen easily with today's satellite imagery (located across the street). Before now, I thought the one in this picture was that one, but I guess its a second one. TWO identified so far!!!!! YIPPIEE!!

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I think your arrow fell off....I don't see an arrow (or footing) anywhere. You should use a better glue stick.
 

Tom

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This next ones, I was about to mark all over it. I don't have to because you know where they should be. Look carefully.

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Ok, so, let me make sure I'm on the same page. You posted these two construction photos as evidence of the footing(s) installed, or being installed....but then you disclaim that they're not actually shown in either of these two photos. Right?

That triangular structure in the second photo, to the right of WoM, is not a monorail footing. You can see how small a footing would be, based on the size of the pylon bases in this photo. You could fit 10 monorail footings in that triangular structure, which is likely a large electrical vault (or similar).
 

RedDad

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Interesting visual...assuming their estimates per mile is still correct and using today's pricing for concrete and steel a mile of monorail track would cost $1,470,000.00 for material alone.

Assuming a cost of 150.00 per cubic yard of concrete and 500.00 per ton of steel rebar .

Of course @edwardtc might help me out on today's prices if I'm way off.
We price concrete (including labor) at about $800/YD for reinforced, formed surfaces. This is just a budget number that we use to estimate total cost of construction, and is for regular building construction. For something like this (post-tensioned, precast, etc.) I would think it's probably more like $1,200/YD or more, but again that's just an estimate, and would only include the beams, and pylons (no deep foundations).
 

PeterAlt

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I think your arrow fell off....I don't see an arrow (or footing) anywhere. You should use a better glue stick.
Arrow is there in white outline look all the way to east, behind FW, north of UoE, south of WoM, east of where WoL will be built.
 

PeterAlt

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Ok, so, let me make sure I'm on the same page. You posted these two construction photos as evidence of the footing(s) installed, or being installed....but then you disclaim that they're not actually shown in either of these two photos. Right?

That triangular structure in the second photo, to the right of WoM, is not a monorail footing. You can see how small a footing would be, based on the size of the pylon bases in this photo. You could fit 10 monorail footings in that triangular structure, which is likely a large electrical vault (or similar).
In the second picture, the two mounts of dirt next to the already installed monorail beams are where two small footers would go. So, I assume these mounts are circumstantial evidence of footers being placed there.

EDIT,TO SEE THESE YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IT THREE DIMENSIONALLY. BOTH ARE THEY ARE WEST OF THAT PATH.
 
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