EPCOT Resorts Cancelled Monorail Loop

[Tonka's Skipper]

Based on?

The WDW resorts with Conventions hall are selling very well and the Coronado Springs resort is often sold out way in advance and is becoming known as the Convention *center* of WDW, Lots of poster have been on the blogs pointing out that is getting harder and harder to get reservations for CS due to all the conventions.

As to the retail and new resorts....WDW just announced the larger Springs project taking of DTD and there is expansion plans for the poly and plans have in the works for a new Western resort between WL and FW.

That would indicate lots of new retails, resorts and conventions in the future of WDW.

AKK

 

[PeterAlt]

 

[RedDad]

Here's another one. I pointed an arrow to it. Its directly behind what is now the defunct WoL Pavilion. Here, you see it clear as day and exactly where you said one should be. Today it's covered up and you can't see it in the satellite photos. This is not the one I've been talking about, which is not covered up and can be seen easily with today's satellite imagery (located across the street). Before now, I thought the one in this picture was that one, but I guess its a second one. TWO identified so far!!!!! YIPPIEE!!

Took me a while, but I think I see what you're talking about - right next to the road, to the east of UofE. I guess it's possible that's a footing? I don't think it's the same structure you can see in satellite images now either unless they moved that road. Still not convinced the other one across the road is a footing, but like I said - I could be wrong (wouldn't be the first time!).

 

[RedDad]

Great photo of Epcot construction! I don't see any footings tho...

 

[RedDad]

This next ones, I was about to mark all over it. I don't have to because you know where they should be. Look carefully.

I see nothing in this photo that indicates a footing.

 

[RedDad]

I feel like I'm doing a Where's Waldo...

 

[marni1971]

Considering the northerly spur would have passed directly over the UoE sign pond, I can't see anything.

By "shout out" I've asked contacts for close up photos of the concrete slab in the grass by WDI.

 

[RedDad]

Considering the northerly spur would have passed directly over the UoE sign pond, I can't see anything.

By "shout out" I've asked contacts for close up photos of the concrete slab in the grass by WDI.

That would be great. I now have an increasingly unhealthy curiosity concerning that chunk of concrete...

Although, honestly one or two footings in the grand scheme of things wouldn't make much difference in the price or feasibility of a monorail extension. Have you ever seen any other documentation of monorail footings having actually been poured and then abandoned elsewhere on property? I'm just curious as to whether there is a documented precedence for this.

 

[danlb_2000]

This next ones, I was about to mark all over it. I don't have to because you know where they should be. Look carefully.

I don't see anything either, you are going to need to do some markings.

This reminds me of the days back when the Fantasyland construction first started and JT kept insisting he saw things in the construction photos that no one else could see.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I don't see anything either, you are going to need to do some markings.

This reminds me of the days back when the Fantasyland construction first started and JT kept insisting he saw things in the construction photos that no one else could see.

You mean the Seven Dwarfs Mine Train isn't opening so much later because they were excavating a massive expansion of the utilitidors to set up for even more being built in the Magic Kingdom?

 

[PeterAlt]

Great photo of Epcot construction! I don't see any footings tho...

You can't actually see them in these photos, but you can definitely see below ground level constructions at the exact coordinates these footers are supposed to be. I'm not sure if these are the triangle shaped ones or the circular shapes ones. There are other photos with less detail but with wider angles and you can definitely see constructions at these coordinates but its so low on detail that its hard to see what they are. You just have to use logic. They wouldn't be building sewer lines, for example, at the coordinates of where each footer is supposed to go.

 

[PeterAlt]

@articos Is the one I think I got much of the info about this from. @articos you are being summoned. Please jump in and help!

 

[PeterAlt]

Considering the northerly spur would have passed directly over the UoE sign pond, I can't see anything.

By "shout out" I've asked contacts for close up photos of the concrete slab in the grass by WDI.

Thank God! I mean thanks. It's been energy draining...

 

[danlb_2000]

You can't actually see them in these photos, but you can definitely see below ground level constructions at the exact coordinates these footers are supposed to be. I'm not sure if these are the triangle shaped ones or the circular shapes ones. There are other photos with less detail but with wider angles and you can definitely see constructions at these coordinates but its so low on detail that its hard to see what they are. You just have to use logic. They wouldn't be building sewer lines, for example, at the coordinates of where each footer is supposed to go.

Sorry, I don't even see "below ground level construction". Just like the fifth gate, I think you are seeing what you want to see.

 

[PeterAlt]

Sorry, I don't even see "below ground level construction". Just like the fifth gate, I think you are seeing what you want to see.

I was hoping I wouldn't have to go marking things. I'll do this tomorrow.

 

[unkadug]

I was hoping I wouldn't have to go marking things. I'll do this tomorrow.

Just don't post 20 pictures of it ....please.

 

[PeterAlt]

Just don't post 20 pictures of it ....please.

I'll do one good one.

 

[PeterAlt]

It's possible too that I have an over active imagination. There's this mountain in Peru that I read people were seeing what looks like Mt. Rushmore sized engravings of animals. What sparked my interest was that they claimed to see engravings of African animals like elephants in rock carved during pre-Columbian times. I had to get photos of it from multiple sources. First thing I see is an elephant - unmistakable - trunk and all. Then, start seeing a gorilla and a lion and many other animals in amazing details. It's almost like the Tree of Life.

One big problem with it though. Pre-Columbian Incas couldn't possibly known of animals from Africa. I couldn't be imagining the animals I was seeing because multitude of other people also them. Also, I am no sketch artist. On the computer, I went over each line I was seeing for each animal. I was merely highlighting the lines already there. When I was done, there were all these animals that everyone were able to see in amzing detail. Now, this defies logic. The most logical explanation was that my mind was selectively usng featues already there to create these, or one of two explanations that would rewrite history, if true. First, maybe those elephants aren't elephants but are mammoths. If that's true, then the scalpings can't be any younger than 10,000 years old. The second explanation is that maybe the Americas were discovered far earlier than we had thought....

 

[unkadug]

Before I go all crazy with construction photos and graphics, let these specifications first soak in. This is taken from a monorail sales booklet during the early 80's from the Disney division that held the monorail patents which was later sold to Bombardier. Note the specifications, shown here, of the distance between the pylon beams, as well as the footers. Absorb this for now. In two hours or so, I'll prepare the graphics and construction photos, and I'll include precise measurements with Google Earth. You will see everything measures up.

Interesting visual...assuming their estimates per mile is still correct and using today's pricing for concrete and steel a mile of monorail track would cost $1,470,000.00 for material alone.

Assuming a cost of 150.00 per cubic yard of concrete and 500.00 per ton of steel rebar .

Of course @edwardtc might help me out on today's prices if I'm way off.

 

[PeterAlt]

So, you tell me. Are these animals really sculpted into this mountain, or is it just my over-active imagination. If they're not there, case solved with both the footers and the fifth gate for its just my overactive imagination. If these animals really are there, then I have a gift for seeing things barely recognizable through "normal" eyes.