Someone should let all the many many many people who buy the retro shirts and merch in the parks about this. What a total failure by Disney selling all these items that no one knows anything about...
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EPCOT Epcot Forever to debut as interim show before full Reflections of Earth replacement
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Crazydisneyfanluke
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For me, this shows the direction EPCOT will be going. I have no idea which direction EPCOT is going and neither does TDO.
They clearly want the fan base of EPCOT to buy into their decisions for the park, but they don't know how to connect with their customers. It is a shame.
They clearly want the fan base of EPCOT to buy into their decisions for the park, but they don't know how to connect with their customers. It is a shame.
Magenta Panther
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Well...I watched the video. And I liked it. The references to Imagination and Walt and those amazing flying things...I thought it was cool. FWIW.
Andrew C
You know what's funny?
I enjoyed it overall. The thing that probably bothered me the most, way more than including the "a whole new world" section, were the transitions from song to song, section to section. That just seemed off.
danv3
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Honestly, it seems like this is exactly what they were doing. There’s no way the concluding slap in the face wasn’t intentional.
Imagineerwannabe
Active Member
look, I actually loved the show, thought the old references to previous attractions were great. Universe of Energy theme and Tapestry had my neck hair standing up. There were the nods to Illuminations with some inward facing pyro and the ending crackle and a massive load of figment and imagination references.
I am not an old-school WDW attendee from Epcot Center's opening day, but i am also far from oblivious or ignorant to the history of the park and given my study and review for various other things has given me broad knowledge of past attractions and the music.
I wouldn't be one of those people who gets misty-eyed over the old stuff and sad when it comes to putting in new additions and I always welcome change and updates and to see more and more.
The story didn't seem that disjointed to me, perhaps it missed some references to some attractions people wanted to hear or see, but they cant please everyone all of the time and include references to every single past attraction otherwise they would have been shorter and less relevant than people are complaining about now or a mammoth long show. A show doesnt always need some indepth story thats incomprehensible and convoluted...
The show is called 'Epcot Forever' It just seemed clear to me that that it played a whole host of recognizable, musical numbers as a nostalgic revue and then transitioned to the 'Whole new world' segment to signify the moving from the past towards a New Epcot, does it need a complex story? I dont think so. The problem with that song is that it comes from an animated feature and the IP-ification of Epcot seems more dwelled on than the intent of the wording which seemed most applicable.
I just enjoy it for what it is. a Show, there for a year, waiting for the next thing to come along. Ill welcome watching it multiple times whilst its there. Its not going to have big budget infrastructure built for the show either.
I am not an old-school WDW attendee from Epcot Center's opening day, but i am also far from oblivious or ignorant to the history of the park and given my study and review for various other things has given me broad knowledge of past attractions and the music.
I wouldn't be one of those people who gets misty-eyed over the old stuff and sad when it comes to putting in new additions and I always welcome change and updates and to see more and more.
The story didn't seem that disjointed to me, perhaps it missed some references to some attractions people wanted to hear or see, but they cant please everyone all of the time and include references to every single past attraction otherwise they would have been shorter and less relevant than people are complaining about now or a mammoth long show. A show doesnt always need some indepth story thats incomprehensible and convoluted...
The show is called 'Epcot Forever' It just seemed clear to me that that it played a whole host of recognizable, musical numbers as a nostalgic revue and then transitioned to the 'Whole new world' segment to signify the moving from the past towards a New Epcot, does it need a complex story? I dont think so. The problem with that song is that it comes from an animated feature and the IP-ification of Epcot seems more dwelled on than the intent of the wording which seemed most applicable.
I just enjoy it for what it is. a Show, there for a year, waiting for the next thing to come along. Ill welcome watching it multiple times whilst its there. Its not going to have big budget infrastructure built for the show either.
Cmdr_Crimson
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Better off calling it World Fantasyland Showcase instead..
I liked the show even though I didn’t know most of the songs, but can someone explain what the hate for IP is? I thought A Whole New World fit the theme they were doing celebrating the past and future of Epcot, but people act like it was Disney dancing on the grave of the old Epcot.
Horizons1
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That’s ridiculous. Disney isn’t dancing on EPCOT’s grave. They did that years ago. Now they’re just ing on it.
junglecruise93
Active Member
Watched it - didn't hate it, but in my opinion not Disney's best work.
This comment may bridge over into the HarmoniUS thread (can't justify using the acronyms fairly until I have seen it)...
Is HarmoniUS too far along to make changes based on the reactions to EF? Do you think Disney even cares at this point? I know even EF could have additional fireworks added and lasers/lights reporgrammed to improve it - I am thinking more of the musical score or "story" changes to HarmoniUS at this point in its development, based on the comments of guests/fans.
This comment may bridge over into the HarmoniUS thread (can't justify using the acronyms fairly until I have seen it)...
Is HarmoniUS too far along to make changes based on the reactions to EF? Do you think Disney even cares at this point? I know even EF could have additional fireworks added and lasers/lights reporgrammed to improve it - I am thinking more of the musical score or "story" changes to HarmoniUS at this point in its development, based on the comments of guests/fans.
jrogue
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I watched this yesterday and my one main thought was umm WHAT is Aladdin doing here? And then sheer horror when I realized that's what they were ending with. I enjoyed it up until then...just doesn't fit in a tribute to Epcot. I understand more is on the horizon so then ... just play horizons' music lol
Disney Analyst
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Can’t wait for the meltdowns from those that don’t realize that HarmoniUS is all IP driven.
griffin ferrari
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Does any know if there is a video of the Preshow music yet?
Imagineerwannabe
Active Member
They did play Horizons music...
Whole new world for Epcot - That reference seemed obvious but its hard to detach from the Aladdin reference...
ThatMouse
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The hate for specifically "IP in EPCOT" is that EPCOT was known for original, unique to EPCOT attractions. Original music, characters, theming found nowhere else in the world. When you add movie themes to EPCOT, you turn it into a very average theme park you can find many many places around the world. When you wear a Guardians of the Galaxies shirt, no one is going to think oh big EPCOT fan! But a Figment shirt...
Imagineerwannabe
Active Member
I just dont care if it is...im not one of those who goes all gooey about the old days...Im just pleased to see something new, I was done with illuminations to be honest
TTA94
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Do they care? Nope! They have full intentions of moving forward with Epcot’s version of Happily Ever After. Which they know will please and wow the vast majority of WDW guests. Sad to say.
tomast
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Epcot is an IP by itself... the pavilions, the logos... all.
Yert3
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Hopefully the meltdown will be among most people and not just on these forums. The general population seems to be extremely confused on the use of Aladdin in an Epcot show, based on comments from YouTube and Facebook. with luck, HarmoniUS is a complete failure so disney finally gets the message that this isn’t what we want.
Well, I was warned a while back about the music on this show. Sad to say, it's excatly what I was worried about.
This would have been SOOOOOO easy to have nailed.
Take the actual source tracks, start off with the opening notes of JII, and one little spark song (sung by dream finder..)
then build the show from there, hitting highlights of past rides, and perhaps end it with Horizons new horizons melody as a walk out music.
Heck, throw in some building illumination effects (cheap as heck to build these days.. like the windmill that used to be used in Illuminations.... maybe a little low tech "Cheezy" but trust me, it would have gotten an audience response.
All I can say, the new fireworks looked nice.. kites eh, cute... that's about it...
I would have preferred a fireworks and kite show with no music at this point frankly, it would have done the job.
Or as others have said, just play the 4th of July tag as the main show nightly.. that would have been fine honestly.
This would have been SOOOOOO easy to have nailed.
Take the actual source tracks, start off with the opening notes of JII, and one little spark song (sung by dream finder..)
then build the show from there, hitting highlights of past rides, and perhaps end it with Horizons new horizons melody as a walk out music.
Heck, throw in some building illumination effects (cheap as heck to build these days.. like the windmill that used to be used in Illuminations.... maybe a little low tech "Cheezy" but trust me, it would have gotten an audience response.
All I can say, the new fireworks looked nice.. kites eh, cute... that's about it...
I would have preferred a fireworks and kite show with no music at this point frankly, it would have done the job.
Or as others have said, just play the 4th of July tag as the main show nightly.. that would have been fine honestly.