EPCOT.nut
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EPCOT – the park that lost its optimism
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EPCOT Explorer
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Yes, because heaven forbid people just want to relax and have fun on their vacation.
*cough*ENTERTAINInformInspire*cough*
Horribly boring...Learning can be fun and relaxing.
Yes, that Ray Bradbury fellow is quite dull.
:lookarounI mean a book about burning books?Martians? Who reads that crap? Who needs a imagination?
(love him to death)
MousDad
New Member
To say that Epcot should avoid appealing to kids is just laughable.
In its present form, Epcot's greatest strength is it's universal appeal.
Name me another theme park that equally appeals to all ages - from young children, to tweens, to teens, to adults, to seniors. I don't think that any other WDW park even comes close to that broad appeal. There are probably very, very few theme parks worldwide that do. None that I've been to.
And I'm not talking about theme parks having one area for kids, one area for teens, one for seniors - all theme parks do that. I'm talking about, every land/area appealling in at least some degree, or with some component, to all ages. You can call it dumbing down, I call it brilliant.
It's so obvious that this is the agenda of modern Epcot. And it works, big time.
In its present form, Epcot's greatest strength is it's universal appeal.
Name me another theme park that equally appeals to all ages - from young children, to tweens, to teens, to adults, to seniors. I don't think that any other WDW park even comes close to that broad appeal. There are probably very, very few theme parks worldwide that do. None that I've been to.
And I'm not talking about theme parks having one area for kids, one area for teens, one for seniors - all theme parks do that. I'm talking about, every land/area appealling in at least some degree, or with some component, to all ages. You can call it dumbing down, I call it brilliant.
It's so obvious that this is the agenda of modern Epcot. And it works, big time.
EPCOT Explorer
New Member
The thing is...They are appealing to everyone JUST with entertainment.
Where did the other core values go?
MousDad
New Member
The thing is...They are appealing to everyone JUST with entertainment.
Where did the other core values go?
I think they're still there, just in better balance. Not attempting to be definitive, but personally I would break it down as:
Old Epcot - Entertain 20%, Inspire 40%, Inform 40%
Modern Epcot - Entertain 50%, Inspire 40%, Inform 10%
The new ratio, while still paying homage to the original, is a much more successful and appealing formula.
wannab@dis
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Their core value is making money... nothing more, nothing less.The thing is...They are appealing to everyone JUST with entertainment.
Where did the other core values go?
That plaque some of you guys drool over... just another tool of their trade. Here's the deal, you fell for it and will never be happy because it's not real. However, most guests are aware of the charade and, therefore, can enjoy it to the fullest.
The problem is within you, not the park.
EPCOT.nut
Well-Known Member
The problem is within you, not the park.
Then it's with me, too....anyone else want to admit they have a problem?
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EPCOT Explorer
New Member
Their core value is making money... nothing more, nothing less.
That plaque some of you guys drool over... just another tool of their trade. Here's the deal, you fell for it and will never be happy because it's not real. However, most guests are aware of the charade and, therefore, can enjoy it to the fullest.
The problem is within you, not the park.
:ROFLOL::ROFLOL:
What do you expect? Me to run out out of here screaming that I have a problem?....Talk about "scare tactics"
:lol:And I'm surprised I have not said this before to you...
This is a Disney "Fanboy" website.
That either means: You are a Fanboy too and have this "problem"
OR:
You are just here to cause trouble and use inflamitory tactics to do so...I think a member got banned for that a few months ago.He was pretty popular.
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tirian
Well-Known Member
Where did the other core values go?
They're still there! They've just been in hiding for a while.
Accidental Edutainment isn't easy to do well. Disney succeeded for the 80s audience, but by the 1990s, Epcot seemed heavy-handed. We all agree that Epcot lost its focus in the mid–late 90s—in fact, one could argue that the entire company lost its focus as Eisner concentrated on bloating the Company to a ridiculously large size. Maybe he was overcompensating for something.
Anyway, IMO Epcot lost its optimism for a while, but that spirit of inspiration is finding its way back. Look at the post-show games after SSE. Look at the exhibits following the Nemo ride (Turtle Talk is now disappointingly pointless). The countries have been slowly but surely getting their identities back from Disney merch—Norway isn't even overrun with Princess crap any more. The Land still teaches and inspires, and UoE still bores us to death with unfunny Ellen Degeneres.
New exhibits in Innoventions are gradually returning to Communicore tech and away from outdated video game cheesiness. M:S is pretty much the only straight, meaningless thrill ride.The core values of EPCOT still exist, and upcoming updates should continue to bring back the spirit of discovery that disappeared with the advent of tarps, whirligigs, and tombstones.
tirian
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Their core value is making money... nothing more, nothing less.
That plaque some of you guys drool over... just another tool of their trade. Here's the deal, you fell for it and will never be happy because it's not real. However, most guests are aware of the charade and, therefore, can enjoy it to the fullest.
The problem is within you, not the park.
Don't be that cynical.
Every park at Disney officially has a purpose, even if it's just window dressing to make more money.
:lol:Out of all four, however, Epcot is the only one that tries to aspire to something bigger than itself.
wannab@dis
Well-Known Member
Being a fan is much different than being naive. :wave:[/B]
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What do you expect? Me to run out out of here screaming that I have a problem?....Talk about "scare tactics"
And I'm surprised I have not said this before to you...
This is a Disney "Fanboy" website.
That either means: You are a Fanboy too and have this "problem"
OR:
You are just here to cause trouble and use inflamitory tactics to do so...I think a member got banned for that a few months ago.He was pretty popular.
:wave:
I guess you have nothing better to say other than something about getting banned... pitiful. Don't you have class to attend?
EPCOT Explorer
New Member
They're still there! They've just been in hiding for a while.
Accidental Edutainment isn't easy to do well. Disney succeeded for the 80s audience, but by the 1990s, Epcot seemed heavy-handed. We all agree that Epcot lost its focus in the mid–late 90s—in fact, one could argue that the entire company lost its focus as Eisner concentrated on bloating the Company to a ridiculously large size. Maybe he was overcompensating for something.
Anyway, IMO Epcot lost its optimism for a while, but that spirit of inspiration is finding its way back. Look at the post-show games after SSE. Look at the exhibits following the Nemo ride (Turtle Talk is now disappointingly pointless). The countries have been slowly but surely getting their identities back from Disney merch—Norway isn't even overrun with Princess crap any more. The Land still teaches and inspires, and UoE still bores us to death with unfunny Ellen Degeneres.
The core values of EPCOT still exist, and upcoming updates should continue to bring back the spirit of discovery that disappeared with the advent of tarps, whirligigs, and tombstones.
I agree with you.
EPCOT is slowly regaining it's identity...:sohappy:..It's just taking too long.:lol:
I am optimistic for the future of this park, I really am. 10/01/07 Started something and the finishing of SSE is the one of the 1st steps, one of the many you just mentioned.
And be it EPCOT or Epcot...I love it.
I love to talk about it too.
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wannab@dis
Well-Known Member
It's not being cynical... it's being a realist. The parks are entertainment for making money. Anything else is simply the "setting" that allows them to pull off the entertainment. Maybe if some would actually acknowledge that fact, they could be much happier with the entertainment.Don't be that cynical.
Every park at Disney officially has a purpose, even if it's just window dressing to make more money.
Out of all four, however, Epcot is the only one that tries to aspire to something bigger than itself.
Thanks for the intelligent reply!
EPCOT Explorer
New Member
Don't be that cynical.
Every park at Disney officially has a purpose, even if it's just window dressing to make more money.
Out of all four, however, Epcot is the only one that tries to aspire to something bigger than itself.
And it is.
Being a fan is much different than being naive. :wave:
I guess you have nothing better to say other than something about getting banned... pitiful. Don't you have class to attend?
This is not naive.It's believing in something.
You might want to look into that.
As for the banning thing...Hey, you came in here posting inflammatory things in a friendly discussion.That's all
And yeah, I am in class.
I finished my work early today.Why are you not at work?:wave:
EPCOT Explorer
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It's not being cynical... it's being a realist. The parks are entertainment for making money. Anything else is simply the "setting" that allows them to pull off the entertainment. Maybe if some would actually acknowledge that fact, they could be much happier with the entertainment.
Thanks for the intelligent reply!
*sings the JII theme*
I wonder about you...
wannab@dis
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If you go looking for something inflammatory, I guess you will find it. But, you can search all you want for something to believe in at a theme park, you'll always be left empty. Just simply enjoy it for what it is... pure entertainment.[/B]
And it is.
This is not naive.It's believing in something.
You might want to look into that.
As for the banning thing...Hey, you came in here posting inflammatory things in a friendly discussion.That's all
And yeah, I am in class.
Why are you not at work?:wave:
EPCOT.nut
Well-Known Member
This is not naive.It's believing in something.
You might want to look into that.
And I absolutely love hearing from other EPCOT fans what they think would improve the park, and how they see it happening.
Keep it coming, all of yall.
EPCOT Explorer
New Member
And you keep on enjoying having no meaning.
I would hate to live without meaning.
I said this yesterday...And it applies here.
Welcome to WDWMagic.
We think EPCOT has a spirit.
We are passionate over it.
Yes, EPCOT is a business...We understand that.
We feel that if WDI were to look at the dedication plaque,EPCOT would fulfill what it set out to do.Make money and do it with class.
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EPCOT Explorer
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And I absolutely love hearing from other EPCOT fans what they think would improve the park, and how they see it happening.
Keep it coming, all of yall.
It was fun to do that over dinner, wasn't it?
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Heading for the great escape.
Dont tell me,...................
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