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celluloid

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If we want to degrade the mid-2000's to like 2015, then we can. I agree with that period being pretty awful aside from EE. That includes the early part of the decade I gave, which still ends up looking pretty decent.
That is because the first half was Eisner's tired years which had a few big projects left. Mission Space, Everest, Toy Story Mania and then Iger which had nothing of note in E Tickets for a good while until Fantasyland expansion.

Again, let us ask, should the rate of E tickets be less across four theme parks between 3 in 1998?
 

James Alucobond

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It where their recent big scale went. You brought up already across four parks. Should the additions or hits be at the same rate Than the 80s or 90s?

We ca do MK if you want. From new Fantasyland to Tron....what went significantly into MK?
You keep bouncing from one altitude to another, so I guess I have no idea what you're even attempting to measure. At first, you were talking about WDI as a whole, but afterward, you kept re-framing everything from the perspective of a single park within a multi-park resort complex (which itself is one among multiple resorts). Do you actually want to talk about the lag between significant WDI projects, or do you want to talk about how things have felt like they're spread thin when viewed from the perspective of a single park within the larger portfolio?
 

celluloid

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You keep bouncing from one altitude to another, so I guess I have no idea what you're even attempting to measure. At first, you were talking about WDI as a whole, but afterward, you kept re-framing everything from the perspective of a single park within a multi-park resort complex (which itself is one among multiple resorts). Do you actually want to talk about the lag between significant WDI projects, or do you want to talk about how things have felt like they're spread thin when viewed from the perspective of a single park within the larger portfolio?
You can take a microcosm on this one and get the same result.
 

James Alucobond

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You really don't, but okay. There was a period when things were especially stagnant that continues to have major impacts today, but aside from the obvious COVID speedbump, there's a lot going on with WDI across the resort and cruise line business, your level of interest notwithstanding.
 

JackCH

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That is because the first half was Eisner's tired years which had a few big projects left. Mission Space, Everest, Toy Story Mania and then Iger which had nothing of note in E Tickets for a good while until Fantasyland expansion.

Again, let us ask, should the rate of E tickets be less across four theme parks between 3 in 1998?
Again, I think the first half of the 2010's was bad, and even with that the latter half was impressive and the "rate of E-tickets" in the last 10, even with Covid, is at least comparable to the "rate" of the "Disney Decade" (and some of the attractions you listed I do not see as E-Tickets).

But I'm not going to convince you, and I do understand your point of view.
 

celluloid

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You really don't, but okay. There was a period when things were especially stagnant that continues to have major impacts today, but aside from the obvious COVID speedbump, there's a lot going on with WDI across the resort and cruise line business, your level of interest notwithstanding.
Covid was a speed bump.

Are you familiar with the economy and the position The Walt Disney Company was in the 70s?
If we are going to talk your points let's do it right
 

JackCH

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Everyone in my family enjoys all four parks more in 2024 than 2014…and I presume even more in 2034.

Our complaints arise entirely from the planning of a park day. MDE and high-tech (and a high incidence of breakdowns) rides has made a visit to DHS hella stressful.
This is my family's feeling as well. The parks themselves are better, but there is frustration with cost, LL, and planning aspects.
 

celluloid

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Everyone in my family enjoys all four parks more in 2024 than 2014…and I presume even more in 2034.

Our complaints arise entirely from the planning of a park day. MDE and high-tech (and a high incidence of breakdowns) rides has made a visit to DHS hella stressful.
As they should. 2014 was when stagnation hit critical mass.

Now we are in a guest service funk by operational choices.
 

James Alucobond

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Covid was a speed bump.

Are you familiar with the economy and the position The Walt Disney Company was in the 70s?
If we are going to talk your points let's do it right
Dude, you made a statement ...
WDI does produce great things still, there are just near decade gaps between now.
... that was clearly untrue, which I responded to. That you keep bouncing around to talk about different things now is whatever. I'm just saying that it's factually untrue that there are decade-long gaps between significant WDI projects. It's not a matter of opinion. It's just wrong. If you actually meant something else with that statement about the state of each individual park or whatever, then great, but that's not how it reads, and I've little interest in discussing whatever tangents you want to tack on now since they have nothing to do with my initial post and even less to do with this topic in particular.
 

Casper Gutman

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You’re showing your bias by choosing the two weakest projects on the list to ask this question.
The problem is that none of the new attractions are clear “home runs” - they all have significant downsides. I love MMRR, for instance… but it replaced another attraction I ALSO loved, so it’s a lateral move. The closest thing to a pure “win” is Avatar Land, but that land still feels underbuilt and the water ride is one third of an attraction.

Nothing Disney has built recently in Orlando compares to ToT, the original Imagination, Splash Mountain…
 

celluloid

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Dude, you made a statement ...

... that was clearly untrue, which I responded to. That you keep bouncing around to talk about different things ...
Fair enough.

Objectively, the rate of WDI making signifigant attractions to parks is a lower rate then the 70s 80s or 90s.

@Casper Gutman says it well.
We have gotten some cool big things in the scramble from stagnation, but the rate is still behind with weird swings and coaster heavy trends.

Better than 2014.
 
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peter11435

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You listed them as significant WDI.
I never said nothing has come.

There is just ten years between a park expecting its next significant WDI legacy/E Ticket/Show stopper.
I listed them as major projects at WDW. Which they were. You singled them out and ignored the many other more significant and more successful projects.

You’re the one that originally stated there were near decade long gaps between major WDI projects. You’ve continually moved the goal post since.
 

celluloid

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I listed them as major projects at WDW. Which they were. You singled them out and ignored the many other more significant and more successful projects.

You’re the one that originally stated there were near decade long gaps between major WDI projects. You’ve continually moved the goal post since.
No goal post. I hear the terms signifigant to WDI and showstopper and hear legacy don't you? Literally entertainment and artistic terms.

Toy Story Land is a rather silly example when you consider those terms.
 

Casper Gutman

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I listed them as major projects at WDW. Which they were. You singled them out and ignored the many other more significant and more successful projects.

You’re the one that originally stated there were near decade long gaps between major WDI projects. You’ve continually moved the goal post since.
In his defense, he said “great.”
 

JackCH

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The problem is that none of the new attractions are clear “home runs” - they all have significant downsides. I love MMRR, for instance… but it replaced another attraction I ALSO loved, so it’s a lateral move. The closest thing to a pure “win” is Avatar Land, but that land still feels underbuilt and the water ride is one third of an attraction.

Nothing Disney has built recently in Orlando compares to ToT, the original Imagination, Splash Mountain…
I think this shows the "matter of taste" element though so many seem to disagree with. Cause I would say that RotR, FoP, and heck even Tron are at least in the conversation for many. You may not agree, but I believe they are the same "caliber" of attraction.

The replacement instead of expansion point is valid though and can be frustrating. That I grant.
 

celluloid

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I don’t think I can agree with that statement.
Well, you are also fine with Hatbox wdw placement and are bias to company.

And again, my original post said great. If you find Toy Story Land on the greatness of others mentioned...yikes. A bridge too far for most.

Nothing about Toy Storyland fits the definition of showstopper for what WDI does.
 
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