News 'Encanto' and 'Indiana Jones'-themed experiences at Animal Kingdom

[TheMaxRebo]

I’d bet they will do whatever they can to reignite that franchise at some point.

Might be 10 years away, but a (new) prequel or animated series might be on the horizon.

A new sies ala Young Indiana Jones Adventures would be good for D+

 

[SpectreJordan]

The 2011 Muppets movie being successful didn't stop Disney from not making any more theatrical Muppet movies after Muppets Most Wanted flopped.

As a big Muppets fan, I definitely wish they'd treat the series better. But Muppet movies were never as big as the Indy movies were. So, I'd understand why they'd want to keep trying with Indy here. We'll see if they actually do anything besides this ride though, I have my doubts about it.

 

[SpectreJordan]

A new sies ala Young Indiana Jones Adventures would be good for D+

I think an animated series on the same level as Star Wars: The Clone Wars should be their next step.

 

[Sorcerer Mickey]

In the Behind the Attraction episode for Indiana Jones, Tony Baxter retells the story of Eisner saying "we can't afford not to do it". It had already been so many years since Last Crusade and they wanted to capitalize on the franchise while the character was still in the cultural zeitgeist.

Given the reception to the last 2 Indiana Jones movies, its obvious the character [and his actor] is way past its prime, even if there's still nostalgia for the original trilogy.

It doesn't make sense from Iger's IP philosophy, except it was one he bought himself and maybe feels obligated to use it.

It's becoming increasingly evident that all of Disney's once-biggest properties are past their prime. Indy, Star Wars...and now Marvel begins its descent. Perhaps it was a bad idea to run franchises into the forever. Everything must come to an end.

Maybe that's why the princesses live on in the parks without ill will, because we never had an extended Cinderella cinematic universe to exhaust our affection for singing mice, fairy godmothers, and pumpkin carriages. Each IP only has a finite amount of fuel in the tank before its exhaust begins to stink up the place.

People were passionate about Star Wars until 2017 and now there is so much resentment towards the galaxy far, far away, and now Disney has a billion-dollars sitting in the Florida open air that still needs to recoup its investment.

How does Disney move forward? Leave "Frozen" at two movies. Let Moana sail over the horizon. There's no need to explore every corner of Zootopia. Start seeding new IP. The most painful move would be to trash D+ because it is the primary reason why Disney feels the need to milk every one of its characters dry. Without the need to pay billions to maintain a streaming service and its steady cadence of content, Disney can focus on quality and carefully curate the image around those hits that make a connection with audiences.

 

[Brer Panther]

As a big Muppets fan, I definitely wish they'd treat the series better. But Muppet movies were never as big as the Indy movies were. So, I'd understand why they'd want to keep trying with Indy here. We'll see if they actually do anything besides this ride though, I have my doubts about it.

My point was more that Disney rarely seems to realize that it's their fault if a movie flops, so I doubt they'd find a reason for why the Indiana Jones movie would've flopped other than "Meh, I guess people just don't like Indiana Jones anymore."

 

[SpectreJordan]

My point was more that Disney rarely seems to realize that it's their fault if a movie flops, so I doubt they'd find a reason for why the Indiana Jones movie would've flopped other than "Meh, I guess people just don't like Indiana Jones anymore."

Oh, fair. That's why I'm worried about the future of the series outside of this ride. This ride could just be a fluke with someone high up in Imagineering being an Indy fanboy or something. Meanwhile, LF might view it as a dead series.

 

[MisterPenguin]

People were passionate about Star Wars until 2017 and now there is so much resentment towards the galaxy far, far away, and now Disney has a billion-dollars sitting in the Florida open air that still needs to recoup its investment.

And yet, the land was crowded in October and December when I went.

 

[SpectreJordan]

Yeah, I don't get the narrative that Galaxy's Edge is a flop. It's not a game changer like Hogsmeade was; but I don't see how any themed land could be at that level anymore, things can't be shaken up that much often.

The next thing I can see being on that level is Epic Universe but that's an entire park.

 

[MrPromey]

I wish they'd make a Countdown to Extinction movie. It'd be a pretty fun premise for an adventure movie. They just need to get someone with some talent & vision for it like the Pirates trilogy had. Kind of a tall order for Disney nowadays though.

One flop, that is Disney's own fault in multiple ways, doesn't negate the massive success of the other four movies (Yes, even Skull was a big hit). It also doesn't negate how the Disneyland Indy ride is one of the most beloved Disney rides in the world.

I'd say Indy is a more reasonable choice for a new ride than something recent that's only had one movie. It's proven to be stable outside of Disney's recent failure.

When was the last time you watched the original Jones movies?

I ask because revisiting them last year, I was sort of surprised both that Disney was leaning into them and also that they hadn't gotten more flack for it.

By today's standards, the originals seem both misogynistic and insensitive to any culture where people's skin isn't lily-white.

There is dialog in the first one that is hard not to interpret as Jones having an affair with his leading lady when she was a minor - an affair which she now views as him taking advantage of her before leaving her... otherwise known as statutory rape.

I'm not picking on the movies. They're classics and a product of their times and they were big experiences of my childhood.

I'm not arguing they should be "canceled" or anything of the sort or signaling them out as really different in these ways from a lot of other stuff both from that era of movie making and from that sort of classic adventure genre.

It just surprises me more than a little that Disney with all the other things they seem to want to bury or redo for modern audiences, seem to be doubling-down on this one.

I finally watched the newest Indy on D+ and have to say, I didn't think it was that bad. I mean, I thought it was better than Crystal Skull.

... Notice though how it has the same formula as the originals with an included female lead but this time they managed to create a situation where there was a closeness and no way for it to be a love interest? To me, that signals that someone in corporate is aware of what I'm talking about.

 

[SpectreJordan]

When was the last time you watched the original Jones movies?

I ask because revisiting them last year, I was sort of surprised both that Disney was leaning into them and also that they hadn't gotten more flack for it.

By today's standards, the originals seem both misogynistic and insensitive to any culture where people's skin isn't lily-white.

There is dialog in the first one that is hard not to interpret as Jones having an affair with his leading lady when she was a minor - an affair which she now views as him taking advantage of her... otherwise known as statutory rape.

I'm not picking on the movies. They're classics and a product of their times and they were big experiences of my childhood.

I'm not arguing they should be "canceled" or anything of the sort or signaling them out as really different in these ways from a lot of other stuff both from that era of movie making and from that sort of classic adventure genre.

It just surprises me more than a little that Disney with all the other things they seem to want to bury or redo for modern audiences, seem to be doubling-down on this one.

I finally watched the newest Indy on D+ and have to say, I didn't think it was that bad. I mean, I thought it was better than Crystal Skull.

... Notice though how it has the same formula as the originals with an included female lead but this time they managed to create a situation where there was a closeness and no way for it to be a love interest? To me, that signals that someone in corporate is aware of what I'm talking about.

I've rewatched them all in the past year; I still love them just as much as I ever did.

I do agree that there's some sus stuff in them. But I think most of it can be easily ignored since a lot of it is just mentioned in passing. Temple of Doom reeeeeeally should've stressed that those weren't your average Indians though & that they were cultists. There was a line mentioning that during the infamous dinner scene that was cut for some reason.

 

[Poseidon Quest]

Yeah, I don't get the narrative that Galaxy's Edge is a flop.

Every time I visit Disneyland it's consistently busy, and Galaxy's Edge is always empty compared to the rest of the park. Rise always has a decent wait, but it's usually lower than Space Mountain, Haunted Mansion (with Nightmare Before Christmas overlay), Matterhorn and a handful of others. Otherwise, it's the place where you go to get away from crowds.

I think that it appears more popular in Hollywood Studios because it's a park that attracts a lot of people with much of its new things, but it's also a park that handles capacity extremely poorly, giving the illusion that its choices are popular. Slinky Dog Dash would never be an 80 minute wait in a well balanced park with plenty of capacity and yet... the park cannot handle its crowds.

I do wonder how Hollywood Studios will be like in 5 years once the novelty of "new" things dies off.

 

[Disgruntled Walt]

Yeah, I don't get the narrative that Galaxy's Edge is a flop. It's not a game changer like Hogsmeade was; but I don't see how any themed land could be at that level anymore, things can't be shaken up that much often.

The next thing I can see being on that level is Epic Universe but that's an entire park.

Galaxy's Edge is jammed because it's incredibly unique, but it would have had another level of success if it had been themed to the Original Trilogy and not the new ones. There would have been a timelessness to it that is sorely lacking now. It already feels stale to me.

 

[britain]

There is still a slot in public consciousness for early 20th century exotic adventure. Indiana Jones merch still sells and in 5 to 10 years time, it will still be easier to reboot than start from scratch (Jungle Cruise?).

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Every time I visit Disneyland it's consistently busy, and Galaxy's Edge is always empty compared to the rest of the park. Rise always has a decent wait, but it's usually lower than Space Mountain, Haunted Mansion (with Nightmare Before Christmas overlay), Matterhorn and a handful of others. Otherwise, it's the place where you go to get away from crowds.

I think that it appears more popular in Hollywood Studios because it's a park that attracts a lot of people with much of its new things, but it's also a park that handles capacity extremely poorly, giving the illusion that its choices are popular. Slinky Dog Dash would never be an 80 minute wait in a well balanced park with plenty of capacity and yet... the park cannot handle its crowds.

I do wonder how Hollywood Studios will be like in 5 years once the novelty of "new" things dies off.

Putting things in perspective, Disneyland has about 4x the number of rides DHS does.

Alien Swirling Saucers is one of the top 10 most popular rides at DHS because there aren't even 10 rides to begin with.

 

[Rich Brownn]

I still can't get over how they're giving Indiana Jones, who's recent film is now sitting alongside John Carter as "one of the biggest flops of all time" is getting a whole ing land. Surely we can get Chicken Little in Epcot now, right?

The problem wasn't the character's popularity - it was the 12th highest grossing film of the year. It was the insane budget that made it impossible to recoup its cost.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

Yeah, I don't get the narrative that Galaxy's Edge is a flop. It's not a game changer like Hogsmeade was; but I don't see how any themed land could be at that level anymore, things can't be shaken up that much often.

The next thing I can see being on that level is Epic Universe but that's an entire park.

Galaxy’s Edge is not a flop. The Galactic Failcruiser was a flop, but that was largely due to their insane pricing model for such a niche product.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Yeah, I don't get the narrative that Galaxy's Edge is a flop. It's not a game changer like Hogsmeade was; but I don't see how any themed land could be at that level anymore, things can't be shaken up that much often.

The next thing I can see being on that level is Epic Universe but that's an entire park.

Definitely not a flop - just think if all they have made from lightsabers, droids, food, etc

And the character interactions there are fun, the rides, when they work are pretty darn great

Super easy to focus on what the land isn't and ways it could have been better but we really enjoy it and always see it quite busy


That said, definitely lessons to be learned from it and ways future lands can be better

 

[Architectural Guinea Pig]

Putting things in perspective, Disneyland has about 4x the number of rides DHS does.

And adding on to that, Disneyland Resort has more rides than Disney World (and has a great balance of ride types too).

 

[MrPromey]

The problem wasn't the character's popularity - it was the 12th highest grossing film of the year. It was the insane budget that made it impossible to recoup its cost.

Kind of a reoccuring problem for them lately.

 

[MisterPenguin]

And adding on to that, Disneyland Resort has more rides than Disney World (and has a great balance of ride types too).

Nope. The two parks in the DLR have as many *rides* as the four parks of WDW (give or take one or two temporarily down or in process of being built).

WDW as a lot more non-ride attractions.