Disstevefan1
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I wouldn’t worry about the box office… Disney isn’t.I hope it does well at the box office!
I wouldn’t worry about the box office… Disney isn’t.I hope it does well at the box office!
My point was that the obsession with Lightyear’s failure, together with all the doomsaying that accompanies it, is disproportionate. (The same goes for Strange World.)I don't really agree. No one thinks Pixar's successes are irrelevant. They are the benchmark that the new films are compared to. If all the successful films were irrelevant, no one would care that the new films were mediocre/average. People want Pixar to hit those home runs again.
But it wasn't just Lightyear. People are down on Pixar because of onward, soul, Luca, turning red... Of their last 5 films, none had that pixar magic. I'm not saying they were all bad, but they sure as heck didn't have major appeal. I'd say it's fair after their last stretch of films to question their ability.@LittleBuford My point was that the obsession with Lightyear’s failure, together with all the doomsaying that accompanies it, is disproportionate. (The same goes for Strange World.)
I loved Onward (one of my personal favourites) and Luca and thought they had plenty of Pixar magic, so I’m obviously not going to agree with your assessment.But it wasn't just Lightyear. People are down on Pixar because of onward, soul, Luca, turning red... Of their last 5 films, none had that pixar magic. I'm not saying they were all bad, but they sure as heck didn't have major appeal. I'd say it's fair after their last stretch of films to question their ability.
Before I overreact, I need to ask what do you mean?I wouldn’t worry about the box office… Disney isn’t.
That's why I said they didn't have major appeal. I liked Luca the most but I wouldn't put it in near the same league as a nemo or incredibles 1... I like Thor 2 but most think it's the absolute bottom of the mcu. Heck, I loved Transformers 1 and 2 but I wouldn't try and convince anyone that they are absolute quality cinema.I loved Onward (one of my personal favourites) and Luca and thought they had plenty of Pixar magic, so I’m obviously not going to agree with your assessment.
It was just one film… before you mention Soul, Turning Red, and Luca… we will never know how those would of done since those were streaming only…not theatricalI don't really agree. No one thinks Pixar's successes are irrelevant. They are the benchmark that the new films are compared to. If all the successful films were irrelevant, no one would care that the new films were mediocre/average. People want Pixar to hit those home runs again.
Nah, there are people on these forums purporting that the recent financial and/or critical duds means Disney as a whole has entered a new phase such that their current leadership and talent can no longer make the successes of the past and thus the complete collapse of the company and/or their studios. Thus, the successes of the past are irrelevant.I don't really agree. No one thinks Pixar's successes are irrelevant. They are the benchmark that the new films are compared to. If all the successful films were irrelevant, no one would care that the new films were mediocre/average. People want Pixar to hit those home runs again.
But we do know that they got the same high marks from critics and audiences that the previous 'magical' successes had.It was just one film… before you mention Soul, Turning Red, and Luca… we will never know how those would of done since those were streaming only…not theatrical
I already mentioned them. And here's the thing. The box office doesn't matter in my statements. I said they didn't have major appeal. If a movie can't hit D+ and people still love it, and it become a hit that people talk about long after release, Disney has a problem. Onwards box office was cut short, but it wasn't really making waves anyway. Turning red, Disney obviously knew it wasn't good. Plenty of people were going back to the theaters by that release. As far as soul and Luca go, very few care outside of, it was ok. "Baby yoda" became a cultural phenomenon not going to theaters.It was just one film… before you mention Soul, Turning Red, and Luca… we will never know how those would of done since those were streaming only…not theatrical
Can they go back? Of course. Do they have the talent and leadership on staff, right now, to do it? Absolutely not in my opinion. We'll have to see what the next ceo decides they want to do. I see no chance under Iger we see any real resurgence. Do you honestly think that they have the creative talent on staff at this moment? And if so, then what's the issue? Why is so much coming out of Disney that isn't hitting the masses?Nah, there are people on these forums purporting that the recent financial and/or critical duds means Disney as a whole has entered a new phase such that their current leadership and talent can no longer make the successes of the past and thus the complete collapse of the company and/or their studios. Thus, the successes of the past are irrelevant.
95% on the TomatometerTurning red, Disney obviously knew it wasn't good.
95% on the Tomatometer
82% on the combined RT and Metacritic scores
70% on the combined RT and IMDB audience score.
That may not be in the stratosphere like Coco or Toy Story 4, but for movies overall, those are excellent scored.
Not at all "wasn't good."
95% on the Tomatometer
82% on the combined RT and Metacritic scores
70% on the combined RT and IMDB audience score.
That may not be in the stratosphere like Coco or Toy Story 4, but for movies overall, those are excellent scored.
Not at all "wasn't good."
It was just one film… before you mention Soul, Turning Red, and Luca… we will never know how those would of done since those were streaming only…not theatrical
Then why not release it in the theater? Covid is not an excuse. And as a secondary, so now metacritic and tomato scores are something to look at? I was told on the Peter pan and Wendy thread that you couldn't trust it. But I guess when it fits the narrative it's ok?95% on the Tomatometer
82% on the combined RT and Metacritic scores
70% on the combined RT and IMDB audience score.
That may not be in the stratosphere like Coco or Toy Story 4, but for movies overall, those are excellent scored.
Not at all "wasn't good."
When did I say my opinion was fact? It's kind of assumed that what people say is their opinion on a, holy cow, wait for it..... Message board. What's funny is you are one of the biggest offenders of what you claim. If prince1 doesn't agree with what you have to say, be prepared. Oh wait, nevermind, even if you do agree with something he'll spin it around anyway. All hail king of the laugh emoji!Some people on here use their own opinion as "facts".
Then why not release it in the theater? Covid is not an excuse.
that is why they submitted Turning Red for Oscar consideration for which it was nominatedTurning red, Disney obviously knew it wasn’t good.
I didn't say that in the Wendy thread.Then why not release it in the theater? Covid is not an excuse. And as a secondary, so now metacritic and tomato scores are something to look at? I was told on the Peter pan and Wendy thread that you couldn't trust it. But I guess when it fits the narrative it's ok?
I didn't say you did. I read in the thread that because of review bombing, you couldn't take it seriously.I didn't say that in the Wendy thread.
The problem is review bombing goes both ways. There's nothing stopping people from going on the review sites and giving movies perfect scores. My point was, people can't say Peter pan and Wendy reviews aren't proof that the movie wasn't good. Then say it's proof that turning red was great.One also has to look at whether the websites one is looking at have a way to vet their reviewers to reduce bots and score-bombing , in which people angry at some idea of the movie want to make it look bad, even though they've never seen it.
It's just a bit hard to believe that Disney would sacrifice the box office completely if they thought the movie was going to hit mass appeal. They could have released it for the standard 45ish days then go D+.Their stated goal, stated many times, was that D+ was Disney's top priority.
And that's why some Pixar movies when directly to D+.
Not because Disney panicked thinking it wouldn't do well in theaters.
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