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Elemental (Pixar - June 2023)
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Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I hope you’re saying that your wish is we can not mindlessly draw sides and explain the financials on this?
I’m all tapped out of “they audience is too stupid to understand the genius” countered with “you ain’t gonna tell me I can’t be WHITE!!” Type nonsense.
Tennis for fools
Phroobar
Well-Known Member
Isn't that the end of the movie?
TP2000
Well-Known Member
I get what you're saying, but...
Pixar spent $200 Million to produce a cute romcom that should have been released against weak competition in the dead of winter?
That seems to prove my point that these hugely bloated budgets are idiotic and unsustainable, if not nearly criminal.
Yikes. What's hilarious about that is the clueless "journalists" at USA Today think this is actually helpful to the movie.
When in reality, media coverage like this just makes most parents roll their eyes and avoid the latest Pixar summer flick like an expired can of bug spray. This was supposed to be a fun family film for summer, remember. Not frank talk about racism (which it isn't).
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
That “supportive” U.S.A. today article is a big part of the current Disney problem.
This is the “positive”…essays about social “reverberation”
Not “feel good” coupled with shots of people streaming in and out of the theaters.
This is the “positive”…essays about social “reverberation”
Not “feel good” coupled with shots of people streaming in and out of the theaters.
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CaptainAmerica
Premium Member
"You should come see this movie because it will entertain you. You will enjoy watching it."
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
It’s almost like that formula works?
TP2000
Well-Known Member
A crummy Monday morning for execs at Disney and Pixar. Variety has just declared Elemental a "Bomb". Ouch. 
variety.com
This hilariously out of touch paragraph made me laugh out loud though...
“It’s more expensive for a family of four to go to a theater when they know they can wait and it’ll come out on the platform,” Docter has since admitted to Variety. Now, the studio is attempting to reverse course. In an effort to remind the public that Pixar is once again making movies for multiplexes, Disney shelled out to send “Elemental” to the Cannes Film Festival, where it was greeted with a five-minute standing ovation. “We’re trying to make sure people realize there’s a great deal you’re missing by not seeing it on the big screen,” Docter added.
Yes, because goodness knows that the glittery-elite audience at Cannes is exactly like the American family audience pulling up to the mall multiplex in a minivan. It was a huge hit at Cannes, so why did it bomb in Columbus and Charlotte and Corpus Christi???
After ‘Elemental’ Bombs, Can Pixar Restore Its Box Office Touch?
"Elemental" continues an ignominious box office streak for Pixar and animation releases at Disney.
variety.com
This hilariously out of touch paragraph made me laugh out loud though...
“It’s more expensive for a family of four to go to a theater when they know they can wait and it’ll come out on the platform,” Docter has since admitted to Variety. Now, the studio is attempting to reverse course. In an effort to remind the public that Pixar is once again making movies for multiplexes, Disney shelled out to send “Elemental” to the Cannes Film Festival, where it was greeted with a five-minute standing ovation. “We’re trying to make sure people realize there’s a great deal you’re missing by not seeing it on the big screen,” Docter added.
Yes, because goodness knows that the glittery-elite audience at Cannes is exactly like the American family audience pulling up to the mall multiplex in a minivan. It was a huge hit at Cannes, so why did it bomb in Columbus and Charlotte and Corpus Christi???
CaptainAmerica
Premium Member
"Ford wanted to know what features truck drivers valued most in full-sized pickups, so they spent several days interviewing the faculty of the Columbia University Women's Studies department."A crummy Monday morning for execs at Disney and Pixar. Variety has just declared Elemental a "Bomb". Ouch.
After ‘Elemental’ Bombs, Can Pixar Restore Its Box Office Touch?
"Elemental" continues an ignominious box office streak for Pixar and animation releases at Disney.
This hilariously out of touch paragraph made me laugh out loud though...
“It’s more expensive for a family of four to go to a theater when they know they can wait and it’ll come out on the platform,” Docter has since admitted to Variety. Now, the studio is attempting to reverse course. In an effort to remind the public that Pixar is once again making movies for multiplexes, Disney shelled out to send “Elemental” to the Cannes Film Festival, where it was greeted with a five-minute standing ovation. “We’re trying to make sure people realize there’s a great deal you’re missing by not seeing it on the big screen,” Docter added.
Yes, because goodness knows that the glittery-elite audience at Cannes is exactly like the American family audience pulling up to the mall multiplex in a minivan. It was a huge hit at Cannes, so why did it bomb in Columbus and Charlotte and Corpus Christi???
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I had the same thought…A crummy Monday morning for execs at Disney and Pixar. Variety has just declared Elemental a "Bomb". Ouch.
After ‘Elemental’ Bombs, Can Pixar Restore Its Box Office Touch?
"Elemental" continues an ignominious box office streak for Pixar and animation releases at Disney.
This hilariously out of touch paragraph made me laugh out loud though...
“It’s more expensive for a family of four to go to a theater when they know they can wait and it’ll come out on the platform,” Docter has since admitted to Variety. Now, the studio is attempting to reverse course. In an effort to remind the public that Pixar is once again making movies for multiplexes, Disney shelled out to send “Elemental” to the Cannes Film Festival, where it was greeted with a five-minute standing ovation. “We’re trying to make sure people realize there’s a great deal you’re missing by not seeing it on the big screen,” Docter added.
Yes, because goodness knows that the glittery-elite audience at Cannes is exactly like the American family audience pulling up to the mall multiplex in a minivan. It was a huge hit at Cannes, so why did it bomb in Columbus and Charlotte and Corpus Christi???
They’re lost. Tell simple stories with heart, Heroes and villains.
Did I mention the entire board and management needs to go?
TP2000
Well-Known Member
From another Variety article today, the respected industry mag confirms the price tags for production and marketing of Elemental.
"At the domestic box office, “Elemental” flopped with $25.9 million, landing by far the worst start in Pixar’s history. Like “The Flash,” “Elemental” also cost $200 million to produce and roughly $100 million to promote."
Does the Smart Set here want to do their wizard math on that for a break even number?
Because my damp cocktail napkin math says that Elemental needs to make at least $600 Million globally to break even.
variety.com
"At the domestic box office, “Elemental” flopped with $25.9 million, landing by far the worst start in Pixar’s history. Like “The Flash,” “Elemental” also cost $200 million to produce and roughly $100 million to promote."
Does the Smart Set here want to do their wizard math on that for a break even number?
Because my damp cocktail napkin math says that Elemental needs to make at least $600 Million globally to break even.
‘The Flash’ Stumbles at International Box Office With $75 Million, Pixar’s ‘Elemental’ Crashes With $15 Million Overseas
"The Flash" and Disney's Pixar adventure "Elemental" failed to catch fire with international audiences.
variety.com
CaptainAmerica
Premium Member
Wait was it revised downward or is that a typo? I though it was 29.5, not 25.9.
The spin machine usually tries to count the money that Disney pays to itself for the streaming rights to their own movies towards the profitability of the film.Does the Smart Set here want to do their wizard math on that for a break even number?
Because my damp cocktail napkin math says that Elemental needs to make at least $600 Million globally to break even.
‘The Flash’ Stumbles at International Box Office With $75 Million, Pixar’s ‘Elemental’ Crashes With $15 Million Overseas
"The Flash" and Disney's Pixar adventure "Elemental" failed to catch fire with international audiences.
CaptainAmerica
Premium Member
Hot take: Onward, Soul, Luca, and Turning Red would have flopped too, if they had gotten full theatrical releases.
TP2000
Well-Known Member
It's a typo. They transposed the 9 and the 5 and no one caught it, because "journalism" no longer has editors.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
…now…don’t startFrom another Variety article today, the respected industry mag confirms the price tags for production and marketing of Elemental.
"At the domestic box office, “Elemental” flopped with $25.9 million, landing by far the worst start in Pixar’s history. Like “The Flash,” “Elemental” also cost $200 million to produce and roughly $100 million to promote."
Does the Smart Set here want to do their wizard math on that for a break even number?
Because my damp cocktail napkin math says that Elemental needs to make at least $600 Million globally to break even.
‘The Flash’ Stumbles at International Box Office With $75 Million, Pixar’s ‘Elemental’ Crashes With $15 Million Overseas
"The Flash" and Disney's Pixar adventure "Elemental" failed to catch fire with international audiences.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
But that’s a complete gamechanger, don’t ya think?It's a typo. They transposed the 9 and the 5 and no one caught it, because "journalism" no longer has editors.
1000% correct.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I think they all would have fared “better” without disruption…but yeah…none would have covered
ppete1975
Well-Known Member
I think onward might have done ok. It was when people still wanted to go the theaters, Disney was still beloved by all, and it was doing pretty well in early reviews. It made 142 million its opening weekend and things were already shutting down and people were nervous about public places and theaters. So had covid not hit... I think it would have done ok.